VIDEO:When the "What if" turns to ALREADY ACTUAL FACT:
This man should have been Secretary of State instead of Hilarity TinClone.Mr.Paul speaks so common-sensically about America's wrong decisions,blunders,and very DANGEROUS political "relationships" and how it will all come back to haunt America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMdhtzygkDw
Peace,Salaam,Shalom.

Great job EuskalHerria, i come back to this sight today and wallah, a sense of sanity is here. Keep up the fight on these anti-semites and blowhards. There is one thing to remember they will NEVER GET IT, But keep on enlightening everybody that comes to this sight. Anti-semites should never have a forum where they can spew their venom without a fight(discussion).

Thanks and Cheers

Here is a most informative article by Hugh Fitzgerald of "Jihadwatch", which analyzes the Middle East quagmire quite clearly and concisely:

"Fresh thinking" is what Obama has famously said he wants. Fresh thinking on this, and fresh thinking on that. Who could disagree? Because again and again, the Received Wisdom of Everyone Who Counts has been proven to be wrong. "No one" could suspect a founder of Nasdaq, Bernard Madoff, of shenanigans, and therefore relentless Harry Markopoulos was not listened to, his long screeds offering chapter and verse in the annals of financial chicanery ignored, year after year. He was wrong, and everyone else, the Good People at the SEC, were right--until they weren't. And the same was true for the larger financial system. "Everyone" knew such and such had to be true, and knew that certain things just could not happen, and the handful who thought otherwise--Nouriel Roubini come swimmingly to mind--were ignored, as comical cassandras. Until it turned out that they were right.

The herd of "Middle East experts" prates about peace-processing, and imposes on our brains the word "solution"--as in "two-state solution." And they do this without thinking they have a duty to explain how the creation of a "Palestinian" Arab state on land that is part of the tiny territory originally assigned by the League of Nations' Mandates Commission to the Mandate for Palestine for a Jewish National Home (land that also happens to be militarily indespensible to Israel's abolity to withstand an Arab attack) will be a "solution," and not merely to make Israel's situation on the ground even more hellishly difficult than it already is.

indeed, the borders will be impossible to defend--even now, with the straight line that follows the course of the Jordan, the ratio of border length to land area is the highest that any nation in the world must endure. And given the location of critical aquifers under the "West Bank" on which Israel depends, and which Arabs in control would likely waste(as they so often do), or pollute, or even poison, it is absurd to expect Israel to give up control. It is absurd because that same "West Bank" was part of the Mandate for Palestine. And it is absurd because Israel itself, though the Jews are one of the original peoples of the Middle East, exists on territory less than one-thousandth of the size of the land area of the nations posessed by the Arabs. it is absurd because the Arab states nowhere offer non-Muslims or non-Arab Muslims anything like the autonomy that might be granted the "West Bank" Arabs--that is, an autonomy consonant with Israel's security needs, but not an autonomy that will force Israelis to live in impossibly, intolerably difficult conditions.

Hillary Clinton appears to believe in the weight of the "experts'--the rosses and the indyks, the haasses and the millers, and tutti quanti--and she also assumes that there is a "solution" to the Arab Muslim war on Israel. She ought too do as Obama said he would like everyone to do, and to seek out "fresh thinking." She ought, in the first place, to not confuse this or that charming individual of Muslim descent or assent (e.g. Huma Abedin) with the ideology of Islam, the texts and tenets and attitudes and atmospherics of Islam. And then she should recognize that all those rosses and indyks, not to mention the djerijians and bakers and all the rest of the "Middle East experts"--who somehow never include such people as J. B. Kelly, or Bat Ye'or, or any of those who do not quite fit the State Department template of those who "understand the Middle East"--have never studied, nor understood, nor applied to the situation at hand, Islam.

For Islam underlies everything that true believing Muslims do. Very often Islam also explains such phenomena as Ba'athism (in both Syrian and Iraqi variants). Such things as the twists and turns of the Alawites in Syria remain mysterious as long as one dose not comprehend the meaning, and menace to non-Muslims, of Islam. And without an understanding of the ideology of Islam, the Jihad being waged against Israel cannot be understood either. For that Jihad there is no "solution," but there are ways to keep the situation under control, and that means under military control (google "Darura" and "Hugh") so that open warfare does not break out, or if it does, dose so only in limited ways. And the way to worsen the situation for Israel is to pressure it into yielding territory that, for its own existence, it must hold onto.

These "experts" such as Indyk and Ross, on whom Hillary Clinton allows herself to depend, are all characterized by one thing: they are Islam-less; they are without a knowledge of Islam. They keep putting on these andy-hardy performances, in the barn, of Hamlet without the Prince. They just can't spare the time---busy, busy, busy, ath those think-tanks, at those conferences, giving their ponderous views ponderously hither and yon--to sit still, and read. They've lost the habit of study. It's a Washington-wide problem. "As for study, our research assistants will do that for us." Ah yes. So they allow themselves to believe, without looking into Islam, that this "solution" to the Arab-Israeli "conflict" is to be found in the establishment of a 23rd Arab state for and artificial "people" who were deliberately created only after the Six-Day War, on that very territory to which Israel has legal, moral, and historic claim and that as a military matter simply cannot relinquish.

There was om display at Sharm el-Sheikh an unseemly willingness to overlook everything about Fatah, all the while of course tsk-tsking about Hamas and high mindedly refusing to deal with it, in contradistinction to Fatah, which was painted as practically saintly. In fact the two are not different. The difference between Hamas and Fatah is just that the men of Fatah are more cunning, more eager--because more corrupt--to say the minimum they have to say (to "choose peace as a strategic option" as Abbas likes to say) in order to get that tap of Western aid turned on again, so as to divert some of it to their own uses. The men of Hamas, meanwhile, are more fanatical and less willing to pretend to compromise. They are willing, it seems, to forgo that aid in order to remain not only inwardly true to the tenets of Islam (as the men of Fatah are) but also outwardly true to the texts, and tenets, of Islam. But those who know their Islam, and those who understand the central significance of Muhammad's treaty with the Meccans of Hudaibiyya in 628 A.D. as a model of Muslim treaty-making with Infidels for all time, will not be fooled. And in not being fooled, they will recognize how the Slow Jihadists of the now Western-favored Fatah share the same goal with the Fast Jihadists of Hamas--that is, the goal of eliminating the Infidel nation-state of Israel. Especially for Arab Muslims, whose ethnic amour-propre reinforces their Islamic worldview, the existence of a Jewish state in the middle of Dar al-Islam is so offensive that it cannot be permanently tolerated, even if for now it must, and even if for now some Arabs even make noises to suggest that "if only" Israel gives up this, and gives up that, than it can exist, on Arab sufferance, as a rump state. If you know nothing about Islam, nothing about the texts, tenets, attitudes, atmospherics, history, of Islam, you might believe this. You might at least choose to believe this, for it would make your task so much easier.

The Arab psyche, collective and individual, is so offended by the existence of the Infidel nation-state of Israel, and by the fact that the long-despised Jews being able to withstand for so long Arab attacks and Arab war-making of every kind, that the idea that somehow, with the coming into existence of a "Palestinian" Arab state, that there will be a growing recognition of the need to accept Israel, a grudging acceptance, is the kind of thing that is plausible, but only if you do not really grasp the nature of Islam. It requires not just knowledge, but familiarity over time with Muslim behavior, Muslim history,. Mere mechanical reading of the Qu'ran and Hadith are not enough. Nor is learning of the details of Muhammad's life. You have to take it in, ponder the material, relate it to the history of Islamic conquest and the subjugation of non-Muslims.
It is foolish to denounce Hamas, the Fast Jihadists, as is being done by Hillary Clinton and others, and at the same time let oneself to believe in the no=one-here-but-us-accountants facade offered up by Mahmoud Abbas, for decades the willing collaborator of that murderous stage-villainous Yassir Arafat. Abbas was the henchman of Yassir Arafat for decades, and was up to his neck an all sorts of murderous activities (including the killing of two American diplomats in Khartoum). What's more, Abbas himself is a Holocaust denier(yes, do read his Moscow thesis). He is not one whit less acceptable than Bishop Williamson, whom so many correctly denounce as beyond the pale, and in the next breath show that they think Mahmoud Abbas, per contra, is perfectly acceptable and even worthy of international aid.

If Obama wants "fresh thinking" in this area, he can come and get it right here. And so can Hillary Clinton. And we should not seek to impose, nor even seek to persuade others to believe that there exists a "solution" to the Arab war--the Jihad--against the Infidel nation-state of Israel, which was re-packaged, after the Six-Day War, as a war of"national liberation" by the "Palestinian people." We should understand that this is a classic Jihad, designed to eliminate from the midst of Dar al-Islam an Infidel nation-state that offends by its existence, and not by its dimensions.

The war against Israel has been kept on the front pages by many things. There is that interest, by no means an innocent one, in all things pertaining to Jews. If Israel were not a Jewish state, but rather one run by, say, Maronites or Copts or Assyrians--that is Christians of the Middle East--there would be attention, but not of the obsessive, nearly manic attention that the Arab war against Israel, and even more Israel's attempts to defend itself against that war being waged against it, that we see on the BBC, in The Guardian, on Agence France-Presse, in Le Monde, etceterum etcetera. In fact, if left alone, and if its enemies are not constantly being supplied with new infusions of money, Israel can take care of itself. My, my, just look at the gigantic sums pledged to the Arabs at Sharm el-Sheikh! Think of the hundreds of millions of real refugees, starting with the refugees from the Muslim Arab slaughter in the Sudan, who can't quite understand why it is that the "Palestinians" always manage to obtain not just the lion's share, but a whole herd of lions' share of international aid, again and again and again.

Nothing should be done to force the Jews of Israel to live in conditions of maximum peril, a peril that none of those governments putting pressure by prating of "two-state solutions" would for one minute endure for their own people. Their legal and historic claims, both under the Mandate, and according to the rules that have governed postwar territorial adjustments (see the Alto Adige, see Kaliningrad, see every border after every war practically since time began and certainly after World War II), are considerable. Such lawyers as Eugene Rostow, former Dean of Yale Law School, and many others who specialize in international law, believe that Israel's claim to the "West Bank" is far superior to that of any other claimant. Even when one attempts to refer to the carefully crafted Resolution 242, it is clear that the key term there is "secure and defensible borders," which would certainly correspond to the River Jordan, and command of the invasion routes from the east, and of the mountains of Judea. The most authoritative book devoted to this subject is that by the celebrated Australian legal scholar, Professor Julius Stone, whom Dean Pound of Harvard so much admired and considered to be the greatest writer on Jurisprudence of the age.

But in speaking about a "two-state solution" and expending energy and capital of all kinds (financial, diplomatic, moral) on it, the American government keeps delaying the day when, not merely in regard to Israel and its survival, but in regard to the entire West, or perhaps better the entire Rest (Islam and The Rest), it will take into account the most important tenets of Islam, and cease to focus so stupidly merely on one instrument of Jihad, terrorism, instead of focusing on all the instruments of Jihad, and on the aims of Jihad rightly understood. Jihad is the "struggle" to remove all obstacles, everywhere in the world, to the spread, and then the dominance, of Islam. In the end, all the countries of Dar al-Harb must, inevitably, become part of an enlarged Dar al-Islam that will cover the globe, because the entire world belongs to Allah. The people in it, and what they might wish, do not matter. And in any case, everywhere in the world, Muslims must rule. That is only right. That is what Allah wishes. There can be no other way.

But the instruments of Jihad that are used to accomplish this goal very. In the most pressing theatre of the war, the war of self-defense that is as yet undeclared by the Infidels of this world against the war being waged against them from within and from without by the carriers or adherents of Islam, those instruments go far beyond the terrorism that has received, stupidly, all the attention. That main theatre of the war of self-defense against Islam is not in Iraq (a waste of men, money, materiel, morale) or Afghanistan (a waste of men, money, materiel and morale), but rather in the countries of Western Europe, now threatened by such instruments of Jihad as the Money Weapon, campaigns of Da'wa, and demographic conquest."

AMEN, HUGH!

"..meddling in local control over zoning..."?
Cheeky ba*****s!
SOS Hillary! Whisper(or shout)those 3 words at them:
"SYMINGTON AMENDMENT 1976"!!!!
MONEY HONEY?
NO MONEY,HONEY?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/05/AR2009030503294.html?hpid=sec-world

p.s. If you check back to the SYMINGTON AMENDMENT to the 1961 Foreign Appropriations Bill:
THE USA IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN to give financial assistance to ANY NATION developing NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY OUTSIDE OF THE NUCLEAR NON-PROLIERATION TREATY.
ISRAEL HAS NEVER SIGNED THAT NPT!
IT CONTINUES,ILLEGALLY,to develope nuke warheads and REFUSES to have DIMONA inspected independently.
IN FACT,according to the NNPT,we,the USA,SHOULD actually/LEGALLY be assisting IRAN with its domestic nuclear energy program,because IRAN IS A SIGNATORY to the NPT.

So Hilarity Tinclone,while you are in Israel and Peres is handing you STOLEN PALESTINIAN carnations,you may want to whisper THREE lil' words in Peres' ears:

---SYMINGTON AMENDMENT 1961!----

OR!
NO MORE US TAX PAYERS MONEY!
Of course Israel could:
-Sign up to the NNPT,
-have the DIMONA NUCLEAR PLANT inspected regularly by the IAEA(like Iran does)
-and DISPOSE OF a third of its nuke warheads,just like the USA,Russia are planning to do.
What do you say Israel?

Peace,Salaam,Shalom.

"No Pasta for Palestinians": BUT LOOK WHAT ISRAEL GETS FROM US!!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/us-military-aid-to-israel.html

Take into consideration,that this is ONLY the 'ON PAPER' stats.
There are also,millions in BUNDLES,of contributions from wealthy investors(think Madoff/AIPAC type)and OUR Congress persons thru' LOBBYISTS,that gets sent to Tel Aviv,through Switzerland etc,where its 'laundered'.
So,really,while American citizens are losing their:
HOMES,
JOBS,
EDUCATION,
HEALTHCARE,
PENSIONS/Social Security,
IRA's,etc
Israel clocks up around 10 BILLION a year from OUR TREASURY/RESERVE/CONGRESS.

Ever wonder why the Reserve/Treasury has NEVER ALLOWED AN AUDIT by an independent auditor panel? Hmmmmm?
As a "Federal" dept,it is OBLIGATED TO BE AUDITED,regularly and independently,in the interests and safety of the AMERICAN CITIZENS/and NATIONAL SECURITY.
But then,it's NOT FEDERAL is it?
It's a PRIVATE Corporation/Cartel of approx.10 FOREIGN,REPEAT FOREIGN,BANKS,with only THREE with offices IN THE USA.
So while the Constitution requires that it be audited,for the SAKE,and SAFETY,OF THE PEOPLE,the Cartel that OWNS it STILL refuses!
And look at the FISCAL PICKLE we are in AND the rest of the world is in!

So,on top of the 3-10 BILLION that Israel gets as a gift,EVERY YEAR,from our Government,they get TONS(LITERALLY)of FREE WEAPONS,JETS,TANKS,CATERPILLARS ETC TO SLAUGHTER innocent Palestinians,WRECK the Holy Land,and turn the land of Jesus and ALL the great prophets,of al faiths into a concentration camp,for EVERYONE NON-Jewish!Run by atheist Nazionists!
Much of this US TAXPAYERS MONEY is given illegally TOO,because under the 'agreement' the USA has with Israel it is ONLY allowed to use this money, MILITARILY,for DEFENSE if INVADED/ATTACKED by an OUTSIDE,and by a formal,SOVEREIGN,STANDING ARMY!
So,apart from the '67 war,Israel has:
-NEVER BEEN ATTACKED BY A FOREIGN STANDING ARMY,
-NEVER BEEN INVADED and,
-never been under THREAT BY A FULLY ARMED SOVEREIGN ARMY/FORCE.
It has HOWEVER:
-had continuing incidents of crude-mortar/rockets fired at Israelis,living on Palestinian land,by either the elected party Hamas,or the opposition Fatah/PA and even a few communist groups,with a few MOSSAD thrown in.
These demonstrations of resistence,cause RELATIVELY very few deaths,practically no major physical,mentally long-term injuries,in comparison to Palestinian suffering and deaths amongst innocent UNARMED CIVILIAN MEN,WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
In fact the resisitence fighters of the Israelis(Stern,Haganah,Irgun etc)in the 40-50's DID MUCH MORE DAMAGE,and caused far more deaths,to MULTINATIONALS,than Hamas/PLO has EVER caused.
These Palestinian resistence fighters are DEFENDING their homeland,against an ILLEGAL BLOCKADE,an OCCUPATION BY LAND,SEA AND AIR,and INTERNMENT-CAMP conditions in Gaza(think Warsaw Ghetto). Not to mention the ongoing ILLEGAL BUILDING of Jewish-only COLONIES and MURDER/COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT).All paid for BY OUR DOLLARS!
On top of that,Israel HAS:
-intitiated its OWN COUNTLESS PRE-EMPTIVE,full military offensives on OTHERS,
-made it look like Arab neighbours have initiated 'offensives'against Israel,
-and it HAS aggressively attacked,with full force military,ALL its neighbours,and CONTINUES to do so with Lebanon and Palestinians, whether in the West Bank,Gaza or the refugees at the Southern Lebanon/Northern Israeli border.

Note one thing missing in all these circumstances: NONE OF IT IS "DEFENSIVE" AGAINST AN OUTSIDE FULL MILITARY FORCE(WAR OR INVASION),as the AGREEMENT between the US/Israel STIPULATES.
Israel is a FOREIGN ENTITY,just like Saudi,Egypt(not part of the USA).
And although we may PAY THEM,conveniently,to be the supposed "Democratic" janitors of the gateway between Western Europe and the Middle East, we are in actual fact making FAR MORE ENEMIES by our policies and double-standards,who will be itching to break down that 'gateway'.
The Governments,that we,the USA pay,in the TRILLIONS,per annum,are the Governments we can TRUST THE LEAST! We just agree to 'scratch each others backs' politically for ILLEGAL back-handers.

SO,when you see innocent people(Arab/Muslims right now)whether in Palestine or Lebanon getting slaughtered,you will know HOW THEY AFFORD IT.
And also HOW ILLEGAL IT ALL IS.
And how MUCH AMERICA is crumbling internally,as all these BILLIONS get shipped off to a terrorist state called Israel.
But then we USED TO FUND Bin Laden TOO,and SADDAM,and the Shah of Iran,while THEY were useful to us!
But,I think its way past TIME,for our Governemt to RE-EXAMINE our "special relationship" with Israel. Because it may well be OUTGROWN/OUTLIVED/DEFUNCT?
Oh Lordy,Lordy! What a mess!

Peace,Salaam,Shalom.

If you read my posts properly you will see that I actually agree with most of what you say,LOL!
You actually dislike,generally,the same things I dislike.
Which means that,for the most part YOUR rationale is the same as mine,EXCEPT for one tiny thing.
You refuse to include Israel in those decriptions of dictatorship,oppressive,fascist,racist,totalitarian regimes.
There is AS much racism,and bigotry within Israel as there is still,here,in the USA,and other nations.
Israel may not pressure people directly to convert to Judaism,except when it comes to GIVING THEM land in Israel,then they'll take anything and anyone from ANY OTHER Nation(usually third-world poor and oppressed)just to boost the slave-labor and census stats,and fill up the ILLEGAL Jewish-only Colonies on Arab land.
Not only do they get a NEW Religion,heck they get a NEW PASSPORT TOO!
You mention these other things....
1)DO NOT murder apostates",
-(Israel doesn't give complete freedom either to religious teachers of other Faiths,heck,they EVEN BEAT UP THEIR OWN Rabbis who critise Zionism)
2)DO NOT brutalize their women",
-(the more orthodox ANY faith,the more the female is suppressed and that goes for Judaism too.Muslims ladies have their hijab,Jewish ladies have their wigs and long skirts.SAME,SAME)
3)"DO NOT hang gays,"
-(no, but they ostracise them and persecute them the same as any nation is capable,and shove them in the IOF),
4)"DO NOT decapitate or stone criminals and adulterers,"
-(that's because they are so busy bombing/shooting/robbing their Arab Muslim neighbours,and driving them from their OWN land,and filling up their prisons with 12,000 Palestinian men,women and children just for being non-Jewish.Many Israeli youth offenders,delinquents,criminals sleep on the street after they leave jail,because their families DISOWN them.)
5)"DO NOT use their children and mentally deficient women as suicide bombers,"
-(they just fill their heads with Islamophobic propaganda,teach them to use guns and teach them how to intimidate/degrade/maim/murder Arab/Muslims when they do their National Service,or when they move to Jewish-only colonies ON Palestinian LAND,to SQUAT,wreck,and defaecate on the floor in Muslim homes-see John Pilgers series on Isarel 'habits').
6)"DO NOT prevent their female school girls from leaving a burning school because they were not wearing hijab, thus resulting in their deaths,
-(no that's right,the Israelis prevent the Palestinian girls/boys from GOING TO,OR LEAVING SCHOOL,throw stones and rocks,dry bread etc at them,surround them with thuggish teenage Israeli girls and boys with no cerebral activity and just enough moronic knowledge enough to shout,"This land is our land,this land is MY land",blah! blah! At least the young Palestinian girls don't shame themselves.)
7)"DO NOT murder their wives and daughters (honor killings) ad nauseum."
-(now you know as well as I do that crimes of spousal abuse/murder,physical,mental or emotional abuse are RIFE in Israel,as is the level of suicide,alcoholism and drug-addiction.
And sorry to disappoint you,but I love my country,and its people,VERY MUCH,that's why I do not like to see Governments like'ADOLF'BUSH,turn it a "Sieg Heil" regime,where it HAS IMPRISONED PEOPLE IN 'GULAGS' in the last decade especially.

I recognised,if you read it properly,that ALL Faiths have their fanatics,in the MINORITY,but that the WHOLE population of that faith should NOT BE smeared with the same CORRUPT 'brush'.
You seem to think that ALL Muslims are bad,and that's either BRAINWASHING or irrational fear based on ignorance.
You just will not admit that as well as the Islamofascists scattered around,there are THE JUDEOFASCISTS TOO,and they CONTROL and RUN Israel and are called ZIONISTS!
And just by your comment below,I know you didn't read my post,word for word,otherwise WHY would I be talking of minorities WITHIN each faith,damaging the whole.
"You still seem to think that "all religions are the same, all attempt to dominate their members, all commit atrocities, blah, blah, blah--" this is simple-minded nonsense."
And OF COURSE all religions have committed/commit atrocities on their own or OTHERS whether domestically OR internationally.That's gone on since religion/faith was conceived.
But hey! That's your choice.You can read or skim past them,I don't mind.
But,if you are going to read them,read them correctly and perhaps you will learn a little more,and your Islamophobia will not be SO irrational.
Peace,Salaam,Shalom.

"Israel" is not a western government, it is a religion state, as Saudi Arabia, then look the same to both direction, otherwise you are half blind. Do you want to compare between Islam and Judaism? Don't take only other people imagery friend's words and forget your imagery friend's talk. I quoted some of Yahweh before go and read, and see the different between both talk and good luck in your search.
And find a different way to attack Grassroots ideas, by meaningful talk and respect otherwise your way of talk would say a lot about your week logic, which is so obvious.

Yes, Grassroots, you have explained the Islamofascists perfectly-they have a mandate from Allah to rule the world-just listen to the imams and mullahs. Those who rule the Muslim countries fit your rant perfectly. The Western governments (the European powers, the U.S., Canada, Australia, Israel) DO NOT FIT YOUR DESCRIPTION. You show no respect whatsoever for the citizens of the free world, thinking that you have some "superior wisdom". False! You cannot even recognize the fundamental differences between totalitarian Islam (the one fascistic geopolitical religion) and the other major world religions, which DO NOT convert by force and coercion, DO NOT murder apostates, DO NOT brutalize their women, DO NOT hang gays, DO NOT decapitate or stone criminals and adulterers, DO NOT use their children and mentally deficient women as suicide bombers, DO NOT prevent their female school girls from leaving a burning school because they were not wearing hijab, thus resulting in their deaths, DO NOT murder their wives and daughters (honor killings) ad nauseum. Do not attempt to lecture me on the role of the United States in the world-would you rather be speaking German and shouting "Sieg Heil", or be imprisoned in a Soviet gulag? You very well might be doing one of those things, were it not for the saving grace of the use of U.S. military might. If you hate our government so much, LEAVE, move to the blissful kingdom of Saudi Arabia or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's heavenly Iran, or Dear Leader Kim Jong Il's People's Republic of North Korea, or, better yet, to your beloved Gaza.
One further word on Islam: Its texts are immutable; Muhammad received Allah's revelations from Jibril (in a cave, by the way). There is NO ONE who can change Allah's word or the interpretation thereof. The scriptures of the Jews and Christians (the People of the Book) have been hopelessly corrupted, according to Muhammad, and there can be NO permanent peace between Muslims and the Kuffars, only hudnas, in order for Dar al-Islam to rearm to gain the ultimate victory over Dar al-Harb. We are all slaves of Allah, according to Islam, and all the world must submit to him and to Islam, and it is the duty of every Muslim to wage jihad against the unbelievers. Wake up and face the REAL WORLD! See that the struggles are between the free countries and the countries of totalitarian rule, whether it be the Muslim oligarchies or the remaining Communist states or other totalitarian states. In fact, the totalitarian states such as Russia and North Korea have close working relations with some of the Islamic states; they seem to think that they can do so without being weakened by their collaboration. Unfortunately, the rabid left, including you and your weirdo pals, can not comprehend these things. You still seem to think that "all religions are the same, all attempt to dominate their members, all commit atrocities, blah, blah, blah--" this is simple-minded nonsense. you accused me of being brainwashed--may I state that your cerebrum seems to not only have been washed thoroughly, but blow-dried and then embalmed! LOL! Well, that's all I will have to say from now on, since you are not amenable to reason.

I live,unfortunately in the REAL world,which is none too pretty,because its made up of brutal psychotic minorities,that HIDE their racist,bigotted power-seeking agendas under National/State flags of peace and "democracy",while feeding off the fear and blind-faith of the general population who know little else and PUT their trust in these corrupt groups,while they wander off, LIVING ON dreams and delusions which they THINK will be achieved by SLAUGHTERING men,wome and children who are 'OUTSIDE'their maniacal,MYOPIC group.
Now that applies to all the people I mentioned below WHO belong to ALL races,all faiths and cultures. MINORITY GROUPS of nutcases are many.
But all of them are SUB-GROUP minorities,and are SCATTERED within their own MASSIVE FAITHS,and their minority maniacal views do not REFLECT the majority as a WHOLE,who seek peace,quality of life and living among ALL rich,multi-lingual and multi-educational cultures.
Much of the Islamic world,moved around the planet to ESCAPE fundamentalist control,ESPECIALLY where it was politically infected, and to achieve a wider education,enjoy freer lives and earn better salaries,comparatively,and give their CHILDREN a wider choice as well as practise their FAITH comfortably and freely.People of many faiths MERELY moved when old Colonial Empires collapsed and civil wars crept in or threatened the horizon of peace and stability.
When Empires collapse,demographics shift throughout history,and cultures blend and knowledge grows with peace. Integration is a strength beucase it reminds people of how similar they are basically.
That also applies to people of Judaism,Islam,Christianty,Buddhism etc.
And don't forget people of many faiths were given financial 'incentives'to move, repopulate and provide a work force,on other continents.
Israel knows ALL ABOUT all that!And like the old Colonists,has ABUSED it too.
One of those minority groups that remains radical,fundamentalist,with a constant offensive standing/occupying military NUCLEAR force of land,sea,air(funded by US tax-payers money),and mentally remains totally out of touch with reality and HUMANITY happens to be A WHOLE STATE THOUGH.
It's called ISRAEL!
Right now,the BIG BELLIGERENT,BARBARIC 'FLY IN THE OINTMENT' of mutual peace and intellect amongst civilised Nations is a Government who believes it'sabove all International Laws and can commit ENDLESS,and MASSIVE human rights abuses on UNARMED INNOCENT CIVILIANS inside and outside its legal OR ILLEGAL borders.
It also thinks it owns the patent on PRE-EMPTION,which is dodgy in the hands of AN IRRATIONAL entity.
This description could apply to other nations too.
BUT,no other nation chooses to remain in a PERPETUAL STATE OF OFFENSIVE(not defensive)WAR with its neighbours or shall we just call them VICTIMS of Israel!
What the STATE of Israel has done to its neighbours for SIXTY+++ years is UNFORGIVEABLE and inhuman,and what's SO SICKENING is that they have USED AS A TOOL,or 'get-out-of-jail-free-card',the Nazi atrocities on their OWN people(plus communists,dissenters,gypsies,marxists,pacifists etc)in order TO CARRY OUT THE SAME CRIMES on others NON-Jewish(Palestinian/Lebanese Muslim and Christian/Atheist) lol. Now that's what you call an UNWELCOME and UNDESIRABLE 'neighbour' for any 'hood'.
And now Israel is busting its ba*** to make a hit on Iran,which poses NO IMMEDIATE THREAT WHATSOEVER,whatever their domestic policies may be,or how HOT the speeches of Ahmadinejad etc.
And Israels uncouth belligerence is 'allowed' by other Nations,because they have been conditioned/programmed to think that ALL ISLAM is a machine of mass murder,heading West and THE WORLD 'NEEDS ISRAEL AS ITS LAST COLONIAL FORT OR GATEKEEPER',to protect it from the barbaric "MOSLEMS"!
It's pathetic!

The BIGGEST problem comes,when you have ONE NATION/STATE,that INSISTS on one faith only(and any other purely in servitude),that is FULLY ARMED WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS/CHEMICAL WEAPONS and sundry,imagining that they are the "chosen ones" and that ALL other human beings are merely THEIR beasts of burden,to be used and disposed of as is their whim or BULLET! Now that's what I call narcissistic and SOCIOPATHIC,and very,very dangerous. Especially to Israels greatest victim in the LONG RUN---the people of the Judaic faith WORLDWIDE.
Because,Israels belligerent Nazi racism and its own "jihad" of bigotry,rather than
respectful multi-faith co-existence will effect them ALL,un-necessarily,and threaten their PEACEFUL residence in other places ALL OVER THE PLANET.
Israel is SO SELFISH and EGOISTIC.
Political Zionism is an UNGODLY,unethical,immoral parasite within Judaism,and insults ALL other faiths who believe in being HUMANE,HONEST and HONORABLE.
I have travelled/visited/lived ALL over this planet,and have never felt intimidated by any host Nation/State,because I have always gone peacefully anyway and open-minded.
Only,ONE PLACE was different!
Israel!
Only there and then,did I feel as if I was on an alien,unfriendly planet.LOL!
It reminded me STRAIGHT away of the WW2 concentration camps in Europe.
I was disappointed,OFFENDED,and ashamed and wondered what God and ALL the prophets would think of Israel and its stance against humanity,and all other human beings.
I was there for a short time,couldn't wait to leave,and BREATHE again,felt really angry FOR the people who suffered UNDER the Israelis,JUST AS I felt the same for the people treated such by the Nazis.
And guess who felt the same as me then?
The three Jewish friends that I was travelling with.
They were ASHAMED.
None of us have EVER chosen to go back again,while it remains as it IS(and its getting WORSE).
Palestine? Yes! I'll go to the Holy Land ANY TIME,WILLINGLY, and any Nation surrounding!
Great people.Generous,giving,proud,loving and they LOVE LIFE.
If only the Israelis had ACHIEVED that 'status'.
But they preferred the 'status'similar to the marauding mongols!
And they didn't last long,after the bloodshed,either.
E/H,you REALLY need to travel the world MORE,it's a wonderful,puzzling,and sometimes VERY frustrating place.It can FILL your heart with wonder as well as break it.
But hey! That's the human creature.
Peace,Salaam,Shalom.

Grassroots: Listen! You are living in a dreamworld. In other words, you have drunk deeply of the antisemitic poison (yes, I know that Arabs are Semites, too, but for the purpose of this and all other present-day discussion this term may be restricted to the Jews)and are immune to reason or common sense. I am so sad to see you carrying water for the Islamonazis; you will eventually end up deeply regretting your foolish decisions. Remember, Muslim fundamentalists hate all Kuffars, and they would as soon decapitate you and your ilk as look at you if you cross them. I, for the life of me, cannot understand that you don't realize what is staring you squarely in the face- the stealth jihad slowly overwhelming many European countries as Geert Wilders has so eloquently detailed, ditto Mark Steyn. However, to realize that a religion, allegedly one of the so-called "Three Abrahamic Faiths" could be so full of evil as to be the religious equivalent of Nazism is evidently beyond your comprehension. But I ask you: Have you ever read the Quran, the Hadiths and the Siras? Do you understand the principle of abrogation which Muhammad used so skillfully to justify his nullification of his earlier "peaceful" revelations regarding the treatment of Infidels and Jihad, to justify his rapine, murder, and conquest of non-Muslims, and how his example as the "Perfect Man" uswa hasana al-Kamil al-Insan is to be closely followed by faithful Muslims for all time, until the earth is subdued by the Umma for Allah? Yes, I admit I am an Islamophobe. I detest the pseudo-religion of Islam, just as I detested Nazism and Communism. They are all ruthless, totalitarian systems designed to take total control of people and control their every action and deny them freedom of choice and democracy. You truly must be wearing blinders not to recognize the profound changes taking place in Europe as the result of stealth jihad by their burgeoning Muslim populations. Unfortunately, wishful thinking can be truly blinding.

WOW! They really have you well conditioned and brainwashed.You obviously DON'T travel much throughout E/W Europe,otherwise you would see that the picture of DREAD that you are describing doesn't ACTUALLY exist in reality lol.
And a "hornet's nest"?
No!,it's same ole' same ole'political zionist fear/war mongering and a desperate attempt for Israel to keep validating it's murderous actions,and 'gatekeeper' job-description left over from the old British colonial days.
Ooooooo! Islamophobia!
The Arabs are coming!
Run! Lock away your daughters!LOL!
Please!
You are doing what other uninformed,narrow-minded people do.
Painting EVERYONE with the same brush!
That's like saying all Muslims are Draconian 'Talibanis'(even if they ARE students of Islam/God),
-or all Osama 'Bin Layin-down's'.
-Or, saying that all Jewish people are psychiatric Israeli zionists.LOL!
-OR,that ALL Christians are flapping around on a white cloud,crying,"Born Again,Oh Lord,Hallelujah,I'm born again".LOL!

And as regards that short-a**** Herr Hitler,with a big chip on his shoulder?
He was about as nutty a fruit-cake as 'Herr' Netanyahu and his side-kick campaign mate Lieberman.LOL!
Herr Adolf,was planning to DO AWAY with the Arab/Muslims because he hated them only second to the worlds Jewry,that's why he merely tolerated the approaches of the Grand Mufti,who only approached Mr.Adolf because he was trying SO hard to stop the British partitioning of Palestine,and the influx of more refugees from Europe.He could see what was happening in Palestine and how the European refugees were starting to TAKE more than they were ALLOWED,or entitled to.
He only wanted to do what the Palestinians want today.
To establish a National Palestinian Government.
Everything the political Zionists,who collaborated with the Nazis pre-WW2,WANTED TO AVOID.And the Zionists were annoyed because th Brits were considering giving the Jewish refugees UGANDA as their new "zion". Imagine that! If Israel had BEEN established in Uganda there might NEVER have been that other whack-job Idi Amin!
But,on the other hand......Hmmm!

That old scum-bag Hitler,was only similar to the Israeli Government leaders today,and for the last sixty years:
Racist/Fascist,
White Supremacist,
Exceptionalist,
Bigoted,
Psychotic,
Brutal,
Global Domination-fanatic.
Thought he was ABOVE 'mere' mortals and the LAW.
All these traits just about sum up the 'qualities'of modern-day Israel under zionism.
Hitler-Israel-Zionisim-Hitler! Same-same.
So SHAMEFUL.
Peace,Salaam,Shalom.

For all of those who are willing to see the other side of the Gaza problem: Read "That Surreal Gaza Reconstruction Conference" on danielpipes.org - it is eye-opening. Particularly note that Hamas will be stealing aid destined for the people, and that Hamas will be continuing to fire Kassams into Israel. What a fool's errand Hillary Clinton is on, and what fools the European powers are to try to broker a "peace treaty" that Hamas has no intention of honoring.

Yeah, Grassroots, the "Josef Geoebbels" and "Leni Riefenstahls" of the Palestinian organizations are quite good at cobbling together propaganda masterpieces showing alleged Israeli atrocities. They learned well from their heroes, the Nazis. After all it was Adolph Hitler who was on most excellent terms with the Muslim Arabs and admired Islam for its tough, warlike, supremacist qualities. He regarded Christianity as a weak, flabby religion, and Judaism, of course, as the cursed religion of the perfidious Jews.

Kaixo!

Boy, have I kicked a hornet's nest with my postings! First: libertyone, Eskerrik asko! But, frankly, ad-hominem attacks are not useful; they merely display a lack of concise thinking. Please explain carefully your contention that what I have explained is "drivel". By the way, the correct spelling is "provocateur", not "provocoteur". And, no I'm not a member of ETA; they are scorned by the vast majority of Basques. Ez horregatik!

Perhaps it would be informative to reprint a speech by Geert Wilders, the noted Dutch parliamentarian, to help everyone understand the threat that Islam presents, not only to Israel but to the rest of the free world:

Dear friends,
Thank you very much for inviting me.
I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic.
We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This is not only a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe.
First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe. Then, I will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem.
The Europe you know is changing. You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration. All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It's the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe. These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe, street by street, neighbourhood by neighbourhood, city by city.
There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe. With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region.

Clearly the signal is: we rule.
Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam, Marseille and Malmo in Sweden. In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighbourhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities. In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.
Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear 'whore, whore' Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.
In France, school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin. The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.
In England, sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighbourhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by uslims in Brussels, because he was drinking during the Ramadan. Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya, Israel.
I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization. A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe. San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now.
Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century. Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that.
The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than theri loyalty to France. One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they call 'respect'. And this is how we give them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.

The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey.
Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots.
Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators 'settlers'. because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.
Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries.
The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behaviour is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized.
Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Gandhi and Mother Teresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages-at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza.
If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad. Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia.
If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism (Nazism), these are all totalitarian ideologies.
Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most retrogade force in the world', and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran.
The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor.

I have lived in this country and have visited it dozens of times. I support Israel.
First, because it is the Jewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz. Second because it is a democracy, and third, because Israel is our first line of defense.
This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad.
Frustrating Islam's territorial advance.
Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines, Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan, Lebanon, and Aceh in Indonesia.
Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War. The war against Israel is not a war against Israel. It is a war against the West. It is jihad. israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there had been no Israel, islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks for Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming. Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West. it would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. it would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel, they can get everything. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as 'right-wing extremists' or 'racists'. In my country, the Netherlands, 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as thye last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America-as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs.
With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome, Athens and Jerusalem.

Well stated, Geert Wilders, one of the true "canaries in the mine". God bless the U.S.A. and God Bless Israel!

By the way, Geert's film "Fitna" can be seen at web site mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/191989.php Another informative video is available at perfectlyhuman.multiply.com/video/item/8
For those wishing further authoritative information on Islam, I suggest accessing jihadwatch.org and danielpipes.org. Be sure to read 'America Alone' by Mark Steyn, 'The Truth about Muhammad (and the Quran)' by Robert Spencer, 'Stealth Jihad' by Robert Spencer, 'They Must Be Stopped' by Brigitte Gabriel, and 'Londonistan' by Melanie Phillips.