No! Each one of us has the responsibility. It should start from within us.

I think it's interesting you bring up the military. The New York Times ran a prominent article a couple of weeks ago about Climate Change as a threat to national security: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/science/earth/09climate.html. This is huge news, particularly for those who take climate change seriously, which hasn't before been so publicly acknowledged. Climate change is an international issue. Instability abroad, leads to instability at home. We should definitely be addressing this issue from a security standpoint.

No government is going to help with saving the Earth. They have their military`s to maintain. Their military`s could help but they won`t .

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Psalm of Heimdallr

The well-insulated ones,
a power unto themselves,
a cut above the rest,
leaders without true leadership.
... Mother was calling but they heard her not.

The well-insulated ones,
they rode a dead whore hard,
her name was Economy,
she had been very good for them,
but not for The People as a whole,
and they broke our piggy banks to save her.
... Mother was calling but they heard her not.

And so the well-insulated ones charged forth,
isolated from humanity,
partakers of the Lion's Share,
that produces an Us and Them mentality,
no mistake too great,
no theft ever large enough,
no true justice from on high,
for it is us, not them, who will foot the bill.
... Mother was calling but they heard her not.

They erected an Ivory Tower,
to worship their God of Science,
priests poured forth like lemmings from their universities,
each gifted with knowledge, without true understanding,
bereft of animal wisdom, the Voice Inside,
data, without true understanding.
... Mother was calling but they heard her not.

And so they gathered together to seek a way forth,
from the quagmire our predecessors had left us,
to the cheers of The People,
and the jeers of the ancient wisdom.
... Mother was calling but they heard her not.

But The People stood up,
they stood up in their ignorance to save their whore,
never accepting the guilt,
never taking the blame,
never seeing the truth,
of how their economy had devastated their world,
and all those jobs long gone,
and all that money long ago spent,
and they never stood up to say:"Look! Look at the scars our whore has left upon our Mother."
... Mother was calling but they heard her not.

But all the scouts were blinded,
caught in a quagmire of bureaucracy,
and they way forward muddied,
but The People stumbled.
... Mother was calling and they had begun to hear Her deep inside.

But the well-insulated ones,
they had grown fat off the whore,
they could not change,
they could not grow,
they were greed addicts,
blinded, they could not see The People awakening,
they had relied on their media to tell us what to think.
... Mother was calling but they choose to ignore Her a little longer.

And so all the leaders without true leadership,
their whore of an economy,
their god of science,
were shown up to be what they actually were,
illusions based on facts,
nothing of a raft left to hold onto.
... And as Mother died we all heard Her, as our civilization sunk below the surface.


---- Loki


In a relative universe with infinite intelligence and infinite emotion, "hidden" is a paradox.

What is the likelihood that the new US legislation on Climate Change will include adequate funding for international adaptation for developing countries who are being hit first and worst by the effects of rising sea levels, unpredictable weather patterns and loss of resources?

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I agree with Phil for the majority of it,what worries me is the lack of ownership for the mistakes made,what is bothersome is to see that the US is doing the best on the homeland front but is not enforcing roles on the American companies out side of the states,the ones polluting the rest of the world
Are we going to help reduce pollution where there is less control or are we going to close our eyes because is not our problem?
what is the difference between this and having a very educated child that trows all in the garbage at home but when on a vacation trows all on other people lawns?

People always focus on the 'damage' the US does to the world but never on the good. As opposed to all the lives that will supposedly be affected by the US contribution to global warming, what about all the lives that have actually been saved by freeing Europe, defeating Japan, rebuilding Europe and Japan, spreading democracy and free trade, shipping millions of tons of free food and billions in aid and medicine, etc.?

Is the US perfect? Of course not but on balance we have done more for the world than any other country by a wide margin. Now the world is shifting and the US with it. When only the US was emiting the bulk of greenhouse gases the world could handle it but with India and China coming on line as well as a raft of other industrialized countries what the US does will be nearly irrelevent.

As a scientist said on earth day, if China comes on board, nothing we do will pretty much matter, if China doesn't, nothing we do will pretty much matter. Since China is already the #1 polluter in the world and shows no sign of stopping, that is where the pressure should be placed. India isn't far behind.

In contrast, the US is already the worlds largest wind power producer and, thanks to Arnold Swarzenegger's California initiative, among others, it won't be long before we will be the #1 solar power producer as well.

Despite the current downturn, the US will transition to battery operated vehicles via plug in hybrids, etc., because we have the wealth and innovation to do so. As we led the world in carbon emmissions, we have already turned the corner and I predict that within 10 years we won't even be on the radar compared to the rest of the worlds industrialized states.

For this reason, the US has long since fulfilled it's moral obligation to the world. Doing more would just be misplaced guilt. Until the news prints just as much good news as it does bad, I guess many people can be duped into this sort of guilt trip.

The days of climate change denial are quickly coming to an end. The discussion is no longer centered around IF it is happening, but to what extreme - and who is to blame. Does the U.S. have a moral obligation to reach out to developing communities where rising sea levels, salination, famine, drought and increased weather-related disasters have a much larger impact? Cutting emissions is a good long term solution, but what about people who are suffering now?