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Grassroots
January 13, 2008
10:28 AM PST
I am waiting to see the same documentary too.
I have a great admiration for Norman Finkelstein and found that his books "The Holocaust Industry" and "Beyond Chutzpah" were very realistic(bravely so)and down to earth. He is a man who illustrates the problems of the continuance of oppression by the once oppressed,instead of learning from it and creating progressive multi-ethnic/racial unity.
I have never been antisemite and like everyone,felt the great sympathy and horror,that the world felt post WW2.
But,over the years,I do find that what sympathy I felt,was gradually worn down by a faction of the very people who were abused! And I have Jewish friends who laugh and say,"you are not antisemite,you just don't agree with zionists". And I suppose that's correct,because I see the extreme zionists as being one the obstacles to the PROGRESS of the Jewish people as an international group willing to give and not just take.
And,I also come from a family of secular(but spiritual)scientists,where facts and proof are more solid than myth and legend.
So,how can I respect extreme zionists,when they regard me as sub-human merely because I am NOT Jewish? LOL! I don't know! I don't really mind,I have no desire to see Israel as it is right now anyway.
As a person who believes that ALL are God's children equally,I feel that the actions of many of the Jewish survivors of the holocaust who chose(or felt obliged)to live in the Holy Land thereafter,are turning into the same oppressors and are very retrospective in their focus.To me,this is an affront to God,whose essence,to me,represents improvement,equality,freedom,morals,ethics,tolerance,forgiveness and acceptance.
In any religion,the more extreme or fundamentalist a minority inner faction IS,the more they become a rod for the back of their OWN majority,by their OWN actions.
And to see the repetition of oppression APPLIED by those who used to be oppressed just negates almost any previous sympathy I felt.
Because they,so far,haven't proved that they are capable of being any better than their previous jailers!
Another author I respect for being honest is Josef Grodzinsky.His book,'In the Shadow of the Holocaust' was difficult to read(emotionally),admirable and factual.Just think,those very same camps in Germany were originally set up to house political dissenters,leftists,'gypsies,'and the 'mentally ill or handicapped'!! Every'thing' the Nazis considered 'sub-human'or who stood up to them initally.
As regards the theme of the documentary,I would willingly feel far more sympathy and outrage toward the abuse of "the victims" compensation money,had the people of Israel shown me,and the world,since 1947,that they had learned from such a TERRIBLE experience and couldn't possibly ever do the same to others.
But,alas,we see,in the ever-stressful "promised" land,similar camps growing and spreading,built by the'chosen people',to house all the non-Jewish 'others'!
I have moderate Jewish friends who STILL say,post WW2,that they would NOT live in a "Jewish only" State of Israel.Because they've had ENOUGH of apartheid!
That always make me ponder.And they are good people too!
LOL! I wonder how George Bush feels about being 'sub-human'in extreme zionist eyes,merely because he's not Jewish? I suppose as long as he has the pen that signs the bank loan,he will remain'honourary Jewish'! LOL!
The phrase,'The enemy of my enemy is my friend'leaves much to doubt when it comes to fact,experience and history.
Landlord(occupier)kicks the tenant,
tenant kicks the dog,
dog bites the cat,
cat hisses back at the landlord,
and the landlord thinks,"what a mangey cat,it's going to the pound!"

Peace,Salaam,Shalom!
etniks
January 4, 2008
6:45 PM PST
I haven't yet watched the documentary and look forward to doing it. However my immediate response when I saw the theme, is to find it grotesque to see the survivor's legitimate claims for justice, while Israel still uses the Holocaust as a shield to perpetuate the bloody ethnic cleansing against Palestinians every single minute for the last 58 years.

The situations then and now certainly clash as the people who suffered so terribly in WWII is today doing the same to others, merely by other means. And one of the reasons this is allowed to happen is precisely because it is hardly ever even mentioned in the US mainstream media, especially when who ever criticizes Israel is accused of being antisemitic.

Israel is receiving from the US taxpayer so far about 38 billion dollars, a fortune for a tiny country with very few people. So frankly I feel sorry for survivors who have been cheated as much by those who misuse that fund, as by those who take the US aid, free money and use it on weapons of mass destruction (atomic bombs) and other violent means to suppress millions of people too weak to stop them. Isn't here a lesson to be learned?
The documentary "The other Zionists" I found excelent in showing what I mean.
Politika
December 4, 2007
2:16 PM PST
Finally a film in America.
I find it very regrettable that the filmmaker would not
interview the author who broke the story about 7 years ago.
His name is Norman Finkelstein and he wrote a book called
"the Holocaust Industry" which details the shameful handling of the
money. He was the one who broke the story and he should in my view have been
given a chance to talk specially since his recent firing from Depaul
had alot to do with the writing of this exceptional couragous book.
It would be like making a film about deep throat without interviewing
Bob Woodward.
I also advise anybody interested in the topic to watch the very important
contribution of ch 4 2 years ago on the subject:
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/B/battle/
HannahE
November 30, 2007
5:21 PM PST
Director Ilan Ziv has some excellent things to say in his interview on the Link site.
tamouzmedia
November 30, 2007
1:08 PM PST
Now with the film airing on Link TV I hope this Forum will become a meeting point for all those who are not only interested to explore the issues raised by the film , but are interested to create a community which could help Holocaust survivors in their struggle. The issue is much more than money but the very nature of the organizations who speak on behalf on the Victims their transparency for public scrutiny and their mandate.