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DUAL CITIZENS IN US GOVERNMENT.
midknight
December 18, 2009
1:17 PM PST
THANK YOU
debbiekayblack
December 18, 2009
2:19 AM PST
I was appreciative of the question you asked, "Why do we have so called terrorists?". Such an important issue, the terrorizing of other human beings for a person's idea of a just cause, can be based on a multitude of past experiences, an ill advised ideal of 70 or more virgins in the after-life, religious beliefs (and I am talking about ANY religion that entices people to violence toward innocent people). It is like asking, "Why do good and innocent people suffer and die?" or "Why in this day and time are people around the world still starving"?. It is a very complex yet simple reason. Complex in what motivates any human being to terrorize and kill others and to which there may be centuries old causes but yet simple in the fact that this is part of our human nature. It is what we do with that natural instinct to do harm to others that separates most of us from the animals.

If you are told every single day that a certain race, religion, philosophy or culture is evil and your job is to ensure those people are extinguished from the face of this earth, without much outside or world wide intervention and knowledge that enables you to reason for yourself, then you have this mind set engraved in every part of who and what you are. Herein does the problem lie.

This is a very good question concerning the difference between soldiers, heroes and terrorists. Our media and through various group's or countries' propaganda that is spread like wild fire from leaders of terrorist activities, we have become a world confused about who and what is right and wrong. I agree that taking another innocent person's home from them is not acceptable including how Americans forced the Native People (American Indians) of America their right to land, freedom and peace. For the most part, such actions are generally based on fear and misunderstanding who and what others are or what they believe. Native Americans were also guilty of fighting based on fear from this new White Man who came from the sea. That is why the US has come along way in trying to fix the harm that was done to the American Indians, giving them the support and rights that they have always deserved. Israel has done the same.

The difference in soldiers and terrorists is a soldier is there fighting for their country, their rights of freedom and in defense of terrorism or occupation while a terrorist is fighting for power, feels liberated by killing as many people as possible including their own and the obsession with shedding blood from any source. For the most part, with a soldier, once the war is done they set down their arms, even in time embrace the people and peace with those they once fought and is certainly observed for any action to the contrary. Is it a perfect system.... No. But, it is embraced by the majority of those living through the difficulties of war. With terrorists, there is no compassion for human life whether during wartime, in peace time and regardless of whether the person is an innocent human being, woman or child. Many, many victims of terrorism are those the terrorists claim to be fighting for. Why do you think it is that groups such as Hamas, Hezbula, Saddam Hussein, Syrian Militants, the Ingush and Chechen Military (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis) and others hide amongst their own population and in particular, children's schools, hospitals, homes, and religious buildings? It is because they know that the US, Britain, Israel to name a few, will not storm such places or drop bombs on them knowing that innocent people are there as well. THAT is the difference between a soldier and a terrorist, one who regards human life sacred and those whose own lives are all that matters. Defending one's land from occupation does not have to include massacres of innocent people or sending your young son or daughter to heaven via suicide or to throw rocks at any military while these children are too young to really discern for themselves what is right and wrong and then to incorporate in that developing mind that belief that it is a God ordained commandment to execute the bombing and killing of as many regular people as possible.

Iran and North Korea have both made it very clear their intentions for use of nuclear technology, not just for energy, but also as affording them the power to demolish a whole country at will. Iranian leadership has spoken in such venues as the United Nations in NYC declaring death to the US and condemning our US leaders to destruction. This is done with little to no regard for the citizens of Iran and how such statements harms them as a whole. Additionally, it does not reflect the true desires of a majority of citizens there. It is pure, selfish, mindless words to promote and instigate violence against anyone these leaders feel is a threat to their rule. And, sadly, in many cases their ability to promote such violence is done through the preaching's of the religious leaders who are as or even more powerful than the government itself.

The key to using nuclear bombs is in who fires first. There are only two reasons certain countries have not already used this technology on their self-proclaimed enemies; one is that they need to make certain that if they send the first bomb, any allies of their enemy who attacks in retaliation won't be able to destroy them. Also, they want to ensure that the bomb kills only those in their enemy country and not their neighbors.

The horrific judgement that people put onto others, the innocent, is beyond appalling. This includes those who discriminate against and torture people just because of where they were born or what they believe. A tactic that has been used very successfully is in Arab countries where villages often find it difficult with another person from another village to communicate simply because their language is constantly evolving. Due to a lack of modern amenities such as Satellite TV, International Media, Internet use and the fact that those who try to bring in ideas contrary to what their Imams preach are tormented and killed the people in this villages are like a blank slate that allows not only the religious leaders influence on their people but absolutely blur the lines between religion and government. For them, it is all the same, there is no separation between Church and State.

If you research the plight of most Palestinians, you will see that they have been neglected, unwanted, abused, forced into refugee camps, are afforded no citizenship other than that given from Israel and worst of all.... they have been so infiltrated with radical militant terrorists, they are afraid to even voice an opinion or question what they are told.

A perfect example of this is when the Iraqi War started, one of the first things the US did was to shower the villages with flyers that was written in their language and whose purpose it was to get the Truth to the people who otherwise would not have that opportunity for knowledge.

Perhaps the Dalai Lama has the best solution for the natives of Tibet and all the world. To not raise a hand or sword, to endure without implicating others even while tortured, to pray both for their tormentors and the ability to forgive each and every one is an incredible mandate. It is hard for a person the endure such pain and injustice when simply wanting their freedom as we, as humans, have a natural instinct to defend ourselves and our community. Even though it may be a strange comparison, the Dalai Lama's teachings may soothe your experience of being teased and ostracized by co-workers in the past can actually benefit you and others by incorporating the freedom from memories through forgiveness, even when it is not deserved. Please know that each one of those people who treated you badly are certainly suffering themselves in some way or means. To feel compassion and forgiveness for them is a difficult challenge but is an incredible liberation from the scars left behind. I used to tell my employees that if they get an angry person on the other end of a phone call or in a meeting, try to remember that maybe that person just stumped his toe or maybe his wife just left him. There is always a source for such behavior.

Anger, lack of forgiveness, longing for an apology that may or may not come only gives them power to hurt you more. It may never faze these people as to the hurt they have caused. But that is their problem and not yours. Your problem is in overcoming all those painful moments, words and memories by the use of forgives and a realization that they are victims as well in some way, shape or form. Most of them probably don't know or don't care what you feel. Changing someone's ideas of discrimination of any kind (including "nerds", over weight people, the disabled, etc.) will never happen unless that person either experiences it themselves or someone they respect teaches and guides them on how and why to break that behavior. I know it is very difficult, but forgiveness is not for the other person, it is for you.

I so hope that I have helped you in your admirable quest for truth and knowledge. If I can help you in any way, if you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at debbiekayblack@aol.com.

Good Luck,
Debbie Black
midknight
December 12, 2009
11:17 AM PST
Hello Debbiekayblack, nice meeting You.
I am glad that you are putting things in a different prospective but my real concern is the "WHY ? "
Why do we have so called terrorist ?
Mostly...why do we call terrorist those who defend their land from occupation ?
Why are the US that is acting as an Empires can go and kill hundreds of innocent people and call them self's heroes ? (in other people homes and other countries)
What is wrong with this picture ?
Why are we going after everybody nukes while we still have them ?
I am simply looking for fairness and logic but with an emotional understanding.
Hope You can clarify my thoughts soon.
I always thought that during war ...we can talk about prisoners of war...not terrorist.
Terrorist for me are :IRA BR AO and others as Al Qaeda but again...why can t we see that all this is absolutely unfair ?
I have Israeli friends and Palestinian friends and I am open to any discussion but it does not change the reality...
If I came in Your house and forcibly send You away...,Your mother loosing her home and her voice ...would You still say that is for the protection of the western world ?
Would You really stand for that ?
I experienced bulling at my job for almost 3 years,they say it takes 2 month for each month You experienced that,so...can you imagine them ? How many years of bulling ?
I am still fragile after years because it created PTSD and how many years do you think is going to take for the Palestinians ? 60 years of bulling...mmm..
If we could look at everything and put it in a smaller scale...it will be difficult to ignore and be blind folded.
Hope You ll have a great day
PS It would have make my recovery way faster if the people that harmed me took responsibility and apologized to me ,is the first step to a compromise..with out that we are only going to get more hate and more anger.
debbiekayblack
December 11, 2009
6:43 PM PST
Sadly, it seems, the sources for your statements here must not be informing you on how essential Israel has been in both the US Military/Intelligence technology development and skills or the fact that the US PAYS Israel for actually developing AND testing in real life the best of the best in fighting terrorism and war.

Though I have no personal bias towards countries such as Iran and even have many very good friends who are Iranian, I do keep myself well informed on the inter workings of its government. Iran's most prominent and vocal government leader has stated over and over, even at the UN in NYC, that the US is Satan and that we should be wiped off the face of the earth. If you think that his hatred of the US is based on our relationship with Israel, then you need to go back to Google and educate yourself on what the reason for such malicious instigation of violence towards the US comes from.

Iran is not only now another hostile Government (I am NOT talking about the Iranian people) with the Nuclear capabilities to destroy any of us on a whim. And based on this leader's statements, he is a very volatile individual who demonstrates little use of concern for his own people and the ramifications of his speeches for his nation.

Have you ever lived in Israel? Have you ever lived in an Arab country in the Middle East? I have. And I can tell you that although none of these countries are without their wrong doings, Israel is the country that has bridged the gap and cooled the hatred of other countries giving both Israel and the US the ability to demonstrate democracy and peace. The UEA, Egypt, Jordan and even Lebanon are now close allies of the US but were first the ones to agree to peace with Israel recognizing that Democracy can be achieved in the world of Islam while still retaining their passion for their Islamic faith and its leaders.

Within Israel, anyone can worship and observe whatever religion that person wants. It does not require every person in public to be dressed a certain way regardless of what their faith may be. Israel spends an incredible amount of money to not only preserve other faith's holy places and icons, but to ensure that the leaders of these religions have jurisdiction over the places, property, sale of religious items, etc. and are protected by the Israeli Government and Military. Israel has spent an untold amount in the millions of dollars to assist Palestinian education, health care, housing, food and religious freedom. Israel came to the humanitarian relief of Palestinians when no other Arab nation cared about Palestinian needs and would not even allow a Palestinian refuge or entrance into their countries with many of these Arab countries forcing Palestinians into refugee camps where they were imprisoned without the citizenship of any nation. What one sees on TV or reads in the news is actually not an accurate representation of how most Palestinians feel. It is generally those militants from other countries and corrupt governments that are doing such an incredible amount of harm to Palestinians who are afraid to voice their opinions or gratitude towards Israel out of fear for retaliation which happens daily.

Please take some time to digest this issue and research more thoroughly the facts verses just an opinion most likely based on news reports and individual stories. I have lived in these countries, spent time getting to know these people and I can tell you that the issues are not as they are portrayed in the press.
Grassroots
December 9, 2009
10:38 AM PST
Ha'aretz SAYS US OFFICIALS MUST FACE PRO-ISRAEL BACKGROUND CHECK!
Anyone US citizens who want to run for office must KOW-TOW to racist,bigotted,bellicose,sociopathic Israel or be labelled as 'Evil',anti-semitic or 'lefties',LOL?
What the f***?
Israel is SO DESPERATELY pathetic.
Excuse me,but this is the United States of America.
Not an extension or annex of FOREIGN zionist Israel,whatever the 'rapturous' minority of the wealthy neocons may believe.
The hubris and suicidal ego of Israel,that is merely an insatiable PARASITE on the US host,is mindblowing!
I will NEVER have FOREIGNERS telling MY US government what to do,when only their FOREIGN interests and agendas are the priority.
And any US Congressperson who pledges allegiance to foreign Israel before the USA,should be imprisoned for treason.
Israel is the greatest THREAT to US national and international security.
If anything,our US Congress members,wannabe's should be BARRED FROM ENTERING US PUBLIC SERVICE if their LOYALTIES lay with any Nation/State OTHER than the USA!
Their bank accounts(on and offshore)should be examined by the IRS to see WHO THEY HAVE RECEIVED the most kickbacks and whether that is a conflict of US PUBLIC SERVICE contract terms!
I am SO SICK of Israel thinking/believing that the USA and Isreal are joined at the proverbial 'hip',as if they were RELATED!
Or,that Israeli foreign policy has ANY SIMILARITY to US foreign policies!
Because more often than not,Israeli FOREIGN POLICY is abusive of,and destructive toward US foreign policy and our economy and military,as we have experienced for at least the last two decades and ongoing right now,with Israel demanding that the USA attack Iran,for Israel.Using US money,blood,military,children and global reputation and prestige.
When in actual fact, Iran poses NO EXISTENTIAL threat to the USA now or in the near future and Iran should actually be a mutually respectful ALLY of the USA,as it showed right after 9/11,when Iran aoffered to help the USA destroy al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
Iran could,and should be,a mutually beneficial trading/cultural/resource partner of the USA.
The ONLY 'butt-boil'stopping the USA and Iran from being great partners with SO MUCH in common(good or bad) is paltry,paranoid,racist Israel!
Who the **** do they think they are?
And,any of our American(dual citizen)Israeli public servants had better review their national/political/ideological loyalties very carefully,or be labelled as TRAITORS to the USA!
They LOVE Israel so much?
They can go and live there.
The foreign political/ideological organisations of Israel,within our USA should be BANNED and shut down for harboring Israeli terrorists and Israeli spies who seek to harm US national security,and US foreign policy interests,in favor of FOREIGN Israeli interests,which do NOT REFLECT US interests.
These Israeli whackjobs are unbelievably irrational and presumptive,of our USA!LOL.
But it is coming to an end,and about time too!
http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/12/04/haaretz_says_us_officials_face_pro_israel_background_check
Peace,Salaam,Shalom.
Grassroots
December 6, 2009
11:57 AM PST
BUT LOYAL TO WHOM????
Read this and consider that MANY of these people who are American-Israeli citizens have either spied on us,threatened our US standing overseas or been involved in the biggest US geopolitical and human rights disaster since Vietnam---Iraq,Afghanistan,the unconditional support of Israel's SIXTY YEAR occupation in Palestine,and now the banging of war-drums against Pakistan and Iran.
Study the photographs of some of these most influencial people in US politics,who are DUAL CITIZENS,and STAUNCH NEOCONSERVATIVES/zionists of Israel too,and also some of the architects of the BIGGEST military/political/economic FAILURES in US HISTORY.
Should these people,who pledge allegiance to belligerent,Islamophobic Israel,as well as the USA,be actually ALLOWED into,or employed by,the US halls of government and finance,or are their interests DUALISTIC too,to the DETRIMENT of the USA?
After all,it is the US TAX-PAYER who is paying them,and these guys are making often MANICHEAN decisions to wage war,as a first resort,lust after offensive occupation/invasion,imprison,torture and ethnically cleanse innocent foreign civilians.
It is AGAINST the US Constitution for ANY American citizen who pledges allegiance to,or votes for,a FOREIGN GOVERNMENT,to hold US public office,on US SOIL.
And,considering that most of these people's POLICIES both foreign and domestic, have been undeniable failures and catastrophic for the US reputation,I think it's time to clean out the US National National Security risks,by starting with some of OUR not so patriotic US public/civil servants at the VERY CORE?
http://www.bushstole04.com/bushfascism/dual_citizenship.htm