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Can the U.S. alter world policy on climate change?
Grassroots
September 19, 2008
9:19 AM PDT
US policy,again,here the MEDIA is barred because the Gov. doesn't want THE VOTERS to see the dead bodies in the wake of Hurricane IKE!

http://www.cjr.org/the_observatory/media_obstruction_in_galveston.php?page=2

The US Government CAN run,from the subject of Climate change,but they CANNOT HIDE,because the bodies will always keep floating UP,whether four-legged OR TWO-LEGGED!
Grassroots
September 19, 2008
9:04 AM PDT
Yes! They will try to cover up ANYTHING that is enhanced by corporate Global pollution.They are ALREADY BLOCKING THE MEDIA FROM FILMING IN BOLIVAR(and Galveston),to show the dead people and devastating effects of Hurricane IKE!
MEDIA BARRED AND BLACKED-OUT! The US can "ALTER" ANYTHING to suit it's OWN agenda!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge0dxJfxsa8&eurl=http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message609435/pg1
n_lightnme
August 27, 2008
10:37 PM PDT
No - your government will never go for it as the industrial-military complex would never allow it. Most of you have pointed the finger at oil companies but FYI, your military is the biggest consumer of oil therefore wars are necessary to keep the war machine going (America is not the only country guilty of using military might to influence politics to their advantage by any means). But the American people can have an effect if they wake up in time; turn the TV off, talk with others, have dinner with the family (that means cooking and not going to fast-food outlets) get informed get involved. Honestly being on here is makes one feel that they're helping but those who gravitate to this site aren't the problem - it's those who are ASLEEP - hypnotized, programmed into buying their way to happiness under the illusion of being free. Care about others. Love your planet. Smack your politicians and for God's sake, walk or ride your bike, horse or skateboard. Just say, every time I fill up I feed the hierarchy of political power and when I refuse to participate, I take that power away. That is democracy now for Americans - refusing to buy.
EuskalHerria
August 10, 2008
4:50 PM PDT
I must strongly disagree with most of the comments expressed concerning "global warming", overpopulation, and that the "oil men" in the White House are partially responsible for so-called "man-made global warming". Man-made global warming has NOT been scientifically proven to be the major contributor to any global warming; there are many top-notch climatologists and other experts who have not jumped on the "politically correct" bandwagon, and who can present much evidence contradicting the theory that CO2 produced from man-made sources is responsible for any "global warming". As a matter of fact, water vapor is far more efficient in contributing to the "greenhouse warming" effect than CO2. "Global warming" has become a fetish to the far-left, who want to control the economies of the world, and the left of course always lusts after more power over peoples' lives. Did you realize that astronomers have discovered that temperatures have been rising on Mars and Jupiter over the past few years? is it mankind doing the warming or is it the Sun?? How did Al Gore's "hot air" make it across interplanetary distances? Could it be that solar output during the past few decades has increased?? The sun does go through periods of increased energy output. And remember, there have been many periods in Earth's history when worldwide temperatures were considerably higher than they are today. I'm sure the polar bears, penguins, etc., which have been on this planet for millions of years, have seen much higher temps. than they are experiencing today.
It IS important that we find more oil (offshore drilling, oil shale, ANWR, natural gas, coal gasification, etc.) as well as developing solar, wind, and, most important, NUCLEAR. If France and Germany can provide 70% or so of their electricity from nuclear, why can't we? It's far safer than coal generating facilities.
Regarding the "population explosion" myth: Almost all of the European countries are now below the replacement rate of 1.9 children per family, with Spain and Italy about 1.1 "designer kids" per couple. The populations of most of the European countries will be declining over the next few decades, and the huge welfare costs to support the old folks will bankrupt those socialist countries. The same thing is happening in Japan. Even Canada is not reproducing at the replacement rate. Poor Russia-"dead men walking"-its population is expected to decline to 90 mil. over the next 50 years, while even China and India will soon fall into the "shrinking" category.
It is absolutely true that we are foolishly buying too much expensive oil from the Islamonazi states of Saudi Arabia, Iran, United Arab Emirates, etc. and we are indirectly paying for the Jihadis and the radical mosques and madrassas infesting this country and the bloodthirsty imams with their "hate the Jews and Christians" sermons and literature by buying their oil. This is why we need to develop our own oil resources here at home, and to heck with the radical environmentalist crowd. Even Barack Obama has signed onto domestic, offshore drilling.
I personally have mixed feelings about the Bush administration. He called Islam a "Religion of Peace" following 9/11, which is nonsense-jihadis such as OBL are merely following the dictates of the Quran, which is either to convert the kuffars, subdue them as subservient Dhimmis and require them to pay the jizya tax, or fight them and kill them or drive them out. Radical Islam wants to establish a world-wide caliphate, with Sharia law replacing the democratic rule of the US and other free countries. At least we haven't had any more attacks on US soil since 9/11. But I am concerned about he and his administration not stepping up to confront the problems of "softer jihad", which include pressuring organizations such as schools, airports, businesses, etc. to accept Islamic accommodations such as ritual foot baths, deletion of pork from hospital menus, "correct" orientation of toilets so as not to face Mecca, the banning of criticism of Islamic practices and the Quran and the hadiths as hate speech (the latter hasn't happened yet, but consider what just happened to Mark Steyn in Canada), etc.
In my humble opinion, we have much more to be concerned about than "global warming"-just read Mark Steyn's book "America Alone" to gain a better perspective on what really is important to our future as a country.
Eskerrick asko! Agur!
chohfi
July 13, 2008
11:01 PM PDT
On global warming:

There was an interview on wired magazine 2 months ago i think (orange cover) that ilustrates some important points, read that interview, it show how some actions from now are stupid and some old solutions still fantastic.

Someone here spoke about kyoto not being signed by US, but looking at the other side 25 states in US and some large corporations signed and are implementing Kyoto now for some years.
RonCollins
July 9, 2008
6:13 PM PDT
The terrorists. Are the ones running our government. exxon and their ilk need the last drop of oil to maintain their armies. They will wage war, destroying our Planet
seemingly without care. And we who use their products assist them.
Grassroots
July 8, 2008
7:13 AM PDT
I agree jagib.
And it's the people who stand at the pumps,filling their tanks that HAVE TO REALISE the implications,politically,economically and environ-'mentally',
of staying addicted to oil.
The global resources of oil in 'petrodollars' is more or less integrated,but the USA still has Canada as it's MAIN supplier,I believe,followed by Mexico and Saudi Arabia(third) and along that line of integration is Iran too,who ALSO keep the world 'pantry'stocked with 'BLACK GOLD'.
And how are WE accountable?
EACH TIME WE VISIT THE GAS STATION TO FILL UP- you could say we pay to train a "terrorist" or anti-American fundamentalist,because of the money which filters into the 'OILY' treasure chests of Saudi Arabia and Iran etc,then quietly gets channelled into training the people WHO WANT TO KILL US!
Think about it!!
THE NEW SLOGAN on your bumper sticker:
'Fill up your car to HELP TRAIN A TERRORIST' who wants to blow YOU up,AND your kids!!!!
The White House crew are bosom-buddies with these VERY same terrorist-backing Governments,either on the surface for the photo-ops,OR BENEATH the surface when we are SUPPOSED to be enemies. LOL!(that includes Iran)
So,now that gas is 4-6 dollars a gallon:
How many people are we EACH training to KILL us,every time we fill up????

Fill up your tank tomorrow and think, "Cool! I just paid for the training of FOUR Saudi or Iranian,etc,neo-cons to come and blow ME up!" Woo-Hoo DUHHHHH!
Each time YOU see your gas prices GO UP--you just trained more anti-American killers!
And who is responsible for that?
We are.
Because we,the USO(United States of Ostriches),refuse to UN-BURY our heads and face the reality of the consequences,per present global situation.
And the others to blame,are the terrorists FELLOW NEO-CONS,in the White House,who can't(or refuse to)see the difference between themselves and the Bin Ladens et al.

We,as Americans,have to remember that America gave birth to Al Qaeda(to fight Russia in Afghanistan) etc by funding it with our tax-dollars thru' the CIA,AND PETRODOLLARS etc.
We are STILL supporting(financially)Al Qaeda,indirectly,EVERY TIME we fill our cars/trucks/planes etc UP!
Watch the numbers skip by on the gas-pump dial and you will see THEM ratcheting up the petrodollars for more RPG's,IED's and Kalashnikovs to kill and maim OUR boys and girls in Iraq,Afghanistan and maybe IRAN if Cheney and Israel get their way!
I can't believe that we have such dangerous scum-balls in the White House.
But,what really blows my reason and common-sense,is HOW WE,AND CONGRESS,allow them to get away with it???
America,as a nation,either hasn't A CLUE about the 'endgame' that Bush and Cheney etc are playing,OR THEY JUST WOULD RATHER play ostrich anyway or visit Dusney-country and pretend everything is HUNKY-DORY!
Oil is the present life-blood of those who want us dead,or severely 'paralysed' economically,culturally,environmentally and politically.
And we KEEP giving them 'TRANSFUSIONS' to save THEIR LIVES? Go figure!
Why do you think we havn't got Bin Laden yet OR wrecked Al Qaeda(and all it's new spawn)?
Not because we CAN'T,but because THEY,our own 'Bin' Bush/Cheney, DON'T WANT TO!
So what of the environment,when Exxon-Mobile have just been given another break in the Exxon-Valdez spill and its devastation?
Most of ordinary America doesn't even get the picture of SEVENTY MILLION TONS++ of carbon-dioxide EVERY DAY being pumped into our atmosphere which is turning the earth basically into an oven which is going to FRY US, DRY UP OUR natural water aquafers,bring the oceans right onto our back doorsteps etc.
And I'm not talking 'nice sexy tan' burnt here.
I'm talking 'burnt to cinders',pooof-gone,cremated!
THEN,on top of that LOL! Everyone is SHOUTING,"DRILL,DRILL,in the ANWR. YEH! use the TAR SANDS AND OIL-SHALE!" LOL!
You think deep oil is dirty ENOUGH to refine?
JEEEEZ,you haven't seen the pollution that tar-sands and oil-shale produces! LOL!
That's even MORE f****** polluting,AND DEADLY,than deep crude-oil fields AND FOUR TIMES THE COST TO REFINE,taking twice as long to get to the pumps!
For what? Five years supply at our current comnsumption? LOL! Duhhh!
I tell you,if we:
-stick to fossil-fuels,
-and systems like 'adopt-a-terrorist by filling your gas tank',
-and keep adding to the 'self-bake your grandchildren in the EARTH oven fund' of global polluting,
WE DESERVE EVERYTHING WE GET! LOL!
Literally,on our own heads be it.
And all this,in America,starts at the top,The Covert White House,and that lily-livered conniving,covert CONGRESS,who ENCOURAGE US to commit political and economicla SUICIDE,because they(and WE)haven't got the balls to say NO MORE!
Politically AND environmentally,we are right on the brink of NO RETURN.
Not quite PAST the point,(even though the neo-cons are trying AS HARD AS THEY CAN to push it), it's still salvageable.

That begins with making sure our beloved White House,Congress and general 'Democracy'(if I dare call it that)is fumigated,de-loused and exorcised of all it's stinking corporate oil-boys and gals(INCLUDING 'Napalm' McCain)who prefer their personal profits and imperial power OVER the future of THIS DEMOCRATIC NATION,as a whole.
Remember where they are ALL affiliated first and foremost....their own oil companies,and subsidiaries...and they will go back to those boardrooms too and STILL watch their profits AND OUR LOSSES ROLL IN!
I am sick of seeing our White House filled to the brim with dirty business men/women-cum-politicians who shake the right hand of our so-called 'allies',whilst sticking a Kalashnikov in THEIR LEFT hand with OUR petrodollars!
This planet,with its natural resources,its beauty and its 'compatible-with human-life' climate and atmosphere IS ALL WE HAVE,so far,in the whole UNIVERSE!
We are so lucky to have this planet and until we have AN OPTION,we have NOTHING ELSE.
We are the BEST,and most WELCOMING hosts,that we may EVER have!
And we are allowing our 'home',and childrens future to be wrecked,trampled,beaten,raped and tortured and left in a pile of worthless rubble,by MARAUDING PIRATES PASSING through to claim their booty!
-Look again,and see who the 'terrorists' and ostriches REALLY are.
-Look at the Presidential candidates,their V.P.'s, AND THEIR ADVISORS,because it's very important to look at each candidates 'back-room boys and gals'(including old dinosaurs from previous,extinct political,and,UNHEALTHY eras) who sway the decisions.
America has had enough of the UNDEMOCRATIC dynastic White Houses full of 'his and her' majesties the CLINTONS,ole'King Bush(GHW) and now King Cheney with his 'shadow'-cabinet rogues,and PRINCE Bush with his court 'jesters'.
They have ALL been a criminal bunch of ARTFUL DODGERS,POWER HUNGRY CEO's,ADDICTION PUSHERS and WAR-MONGERS,and that goes for many in Congress too.
I love our planet,and all it gives us, it's ALL we have.
I love my country,Constitution and Bill of Rights and want them BACK!
I love peace and harmony,and my grandchildren MORE than filling my gas tank and watching my dollars turn into PETRODOLLARS that finance those who would RATHER see my grandchildren DEAD!
Well,that's ME,MYSELF & I lol!
What about YOU????
Have a 'nice' day! LOL!
jagib
July 7, 2008
3:02 PM PDT
America can not change it's course ( dependence ) on oil consumption/depletion as long as the oil men are in the whitehouse. chany & bush & god forbid- mcCain. note that mcCain has sent his ok to his oil buddies- for beginning off-shore drilling in the gulf of mexico asap, if the voters stupidly put him in office.
please take notice - the big & very rich oil companies do not care about future american generations or world generations for that matter. they only care about their very fat trillions of dollar per quarter-bottom lines.
it will be a dirty shame if the american voter does not open his eyes to see who is for them and who couldn't care less about them, the earth, the air, the water, their grandkids and other living things.
we need a brave man who is not afraid to stand up( with the people of this country) against some too rich & powerful corporations that presently believe they don't have to answer to anyone.
and you are right,grassroots, time is running out.
Grassroots
June 15, 2008
9:50 AM PDT
I can't help but think that one thing that will hit us REALLY hard ,with global warming tagging along beside,will be population expansion versus available resources at present.
The first being oil,our capitalist/industrialist first OPIATE of choice!
There no doubt,in my mind that crude oil resources are ALREADY way past peak(1980's) and that already anything that comes UP out of the Middle Eastern/Persian Gulf wells is 55% seawater that they are forced to pump IN, in order to float the low pressure crude UP, as its past it's own gushing pressure. LOL!
The wells are long past the gushing 'manna from heaven' capability,and have been on rationed supply for decades.The oil companies(OPEC)just UNRATION the supply,when socio-economic-political pressure gets too much,which makes it look to the customer AS IF THE SUPPLY is still infinite at crude level!! Good pre-election tactics,and we fall for it EVERYTIME!
Many arabian CEO's,who have their personal fleets of airplanes realise that their grandsons may be back to enjoying JUST their own 'fleet' of camels,just like the good ole' days.LOL! AT LEAST THEY HAVE THE TORMENTING SUN FOR SOLAR POWER ENERGY EXCESS! LOL!
As sure as the sand dunes are ever moving,change is coming and WE HAVE TO BREAK OUR ADDICTION to a FASTLY DEPLETING ENERGY SOURCE THAT WE,PRESENTLY,TOTALLY RELY ON!
Alternative energy is not a hobby or luxury.If we want to maintain our present lifestyle,in the USA-
(which ISN'T anything to really write home about because,for the majority of the American population,it's bordering on the standard of the 1920-30's ALREADY and the lowest hourly pay scale in the WHOLE WESTERN WORLD),
-we MUST switch our economy,lagging industry and infrastructure and last,but not least,the mindset of the people.
If America is AN ADDICT to a dying resource,then hell-fire,we need to be,collectively,on a NATIONAL FFAA--Fossil Fuel Addicts Anonymous--STEP RESOURCE REHAB PROGRAMME.!!!!! And the mentor of the rehab group MUST BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT.

Perhaps,as a HEALTHY side benefit it would ALSO purge present American politics,our beloved White House and CONGRESS, of hard-arsed greddy fossil-fuel 'PUSHERS', who happen to also be hard-core addict WAR-MONGERS.
Hell,that can ONLY BE GOOD for reshaping a healthy AMERICA and rebuilding it from within,again,to how it was MEANT TO BE,a CONSTITUIONAL DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC!!!!
If Barack Obama is to be the good forward thinking,fiscally,ETHICALLY and morally responsible President,mentor and leader of our future generations,THAT I HOPE HE WILL BE, then he has to lead the way to GET US OFF an 'addiction' which is due to run out of 'PRODUCT'(resource). Who have we got the intelligence to follow?
The 'PUSHER' or the RE-THINKER????
And WE,the people,have to ACCEPT AND ADMIT that we are in deep sh** when it comes to abuse of FINITE resources.
We can't float along,in cuckoo land,on a FANTASY 'cloud' which is filtering away below our VERY ARSES!
The longer we float on fantasy,the harder the rock of reality will be on our butts when we hit the ground.So hard that the fall could leave US PARALYSED from the neck down!
-Then,there is the problem of the ever-increasing population of China and India who in their own economic prosperity,are growing/buying/consuming/building more and more,so that in ten years those TWO COUNTRIES alone could consume 100 PER CENT OF planetery oil resources!!! Never mind 300 million lil'ole' American needs.Or any OTHER continents AT THAT!
And Natural Gas? Well,that doesn't even afford us the luxury of GRADUALLY depleting.
The vent just POPS! Period,Nada,Zilch,Bye Bye GONE!
And wither crude oil goeth----Natural Gas just poppeth! One gone-so goes the other!
THAT is pretty scary! Especially when their/our other resource,is STILL bad arsed filthy COAL and its sidekick pollution AND MEDICAL ILLNESS!
China and America have NO ACCESS yet to CLEAN COAL,NONE!!!
It remains filthy and deadly in the atmosphere and in OUR LUNGS.
China's GROWING output of coal burning with it's pollution has almost by-passed AMERICA'S,as more than the rest of the whole planet COMBINED!!!!
That's ANOTHER fossil-fuel we need to break our addiction of. Another NO-BRAINER until technology gives us CLEAN COAL!
If,like a drug,we are "addicted" to oil(fossil fuel),and know that the 'addicts' are INCREASING in numbers,BUT the supply IS PERMANENTLY diminishing against the demand,then there is one thing for the 'pushers' to do----ZOOM up their street costs,giving the greasy oil companies and the well owners MASSIVE profits,like any drug supplier/dealer,but the ones who are going to get castrated at the pumps are going to be US,THE STREET KIDS, the average citizen!!!!!
Then of course,there is the next essential resource--WATER!!!!
Not only must we change our CARBON FOOTPRINTS but we must ALSO SERIOUSLY LOOK AT OUR AQUA FOOTPRINTS which is even more SCARY than the carbon!
Do you realise how much water it takes the farmers to put one gallon of milk,or a pound of cheese on YOUR/OUR table?
How much water(and fertilizer) the farmers use,to put one bowl of cereal on our tables?
How much water is used to make ONE BOTTLE OF WINE?
How much water we use in growing our wheat,vegetables and FRUITS IN THE ORCHARD?
How much water we use to grow and admire our green lawns?
How much water we use to clean our nice motor vehicles-LOL- CAMELS are a better economic option any way!!! Forget the 'two-car' garage start thinking in terms of two-camel!
On every item of such products on the supermarket shelf,along side the nutritional values there ALSO SHOULD BE the stats of how much WATER HAS BEEN CONSUMED in order to afford us the luxury of JUST ONE OF THESE ITEMS,whether dairy,fruits or cereal etc!!!!
One might say,well the oceans are rising we have PLENTY OF WATER!!! OH,the Irony!
What about the fiscal cost of all the ocean/sea distillation plants we are going to have to build to change it from seawater to palatable drinking water??
Soon our miltary armies AND PRIVATE MERCENARY armies will be guarding the WATER PLANTS AS WELL AS THE OIL WELLS!

The death of pumpable crude oil is a NO-BRAINER. I bet ya! 10-20 YEARS at the MOST!
The shortage of water versus world population growth and global warming is a NO-BRAINER.
The big humdinger is, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT FOR OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN???? And that includes WHO WE ELECT FOR President as well as watching our 'estemmed' public servants LIKE HAWKS,and holding them accountable to their,PRESENTLY, empty promises!
If we do not change our daily habits and look past our own arrogance, to the National and World future,the powers that be will continue to use military force,the spillage of blood to hold on tight to those resources which are DWINDLING ANYWAY before our eyes,IF WE CARE TO SEE!!!
Yes,as addicts,on an expiring resource WE HAVE TO REPENT,RETHINK, otherwise we may as well be digging our grandchildrens graves NOW!
And we must think seriously about educating people about their water-footprints,because that is REALLY SCARY in its wastefullness.
DredOne
June 13, 2008
11:37 PM PDT
The implication of ‘repent’, is as said. The meaning is ‘to re-think’. (Latin)
Many are re-thinking, just not the ones with power.
Would a mass revolt against mandatory oil consumption, not be considered terrorism?
Would not the oil-giant-monster defend its interests with force?
I gno that Hydro-Quebec (electric), has had its own SWAT team for over twenty years.
…tell ya what,… you tell big petroleum to ‘get stuffed’, … & we’ll make like we don’t gno you, .. at your funeral.
Grassroots
May 26, 2008
2:00 AM PDT
How can "one" repent when ones attention deficit focus is selfishly focussed on the here and now of 'ME' instead of the future of ONES family,including ONES children and GRANDCHILDREN and their life legacy!
It's as if the REAL peripheral vision of the majority of us humans has been voluntarily sacrificed FOR THE FALSELY pleasant fantasy tunnel-vision of the NOW!
It's the 'I'm alright now Jack'syndrome,and HANG the future coz I'll be dead by then!
SHAME ON US!Because if we DO NOTHING now,we sentence our children to doom and gloom TOO. How MUCH do we love,and value them?
If we are "addicted" to oil and all it's sub-products,we OBVIOUSLY haven't got the balls to tell our 'drug dealer'(Exxon,B.P et al) to stop FEEDING our UNHEALTHY addiction.
It's cheaper and easier,in the NOW, to sell ONES soul to the devil! LOL!
RonCollins
May 7, 2008
8:58 AM PDT
It seems impossible for this society to repent. Repent means stop doing wrongful things. We must stop polluting. Harming our habitat our planet is wrong. Is it possible for this society who is hooked on petroleum, to stop using it. We are destroying ourselves. Changing the air we breathe into poisonous gas`s. How many chemicals are released into the atmosphere from asphalt shingles, asphalt roads,
We are smothering the earth. How can one in this society repent?
bikerbilly
May 2, 2008
11:26 AM PDT
I think the world is going to change the U.S. policy on climate change!
RonCollins
May 1, 2008
3:46 AM PDT
Exon is doing that
dearamericanvoter
April 30, 2008
5:41 PM PDT
The United States is the only major country that hasn't signed the Kyoto Protocol - and consumes 26 percent of the world's energy. But politicians still talk of proactive approaches towards countering global warming. Can the U.S. alter world policy on climate change?