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War Resisters/IraqiVeterans treated hypocritically!
DredOne
June 27, 2008
1:36 PM PDT
Yes, .. well said. I would like to add a few points.
A ‘war’ is an action taken for gain/prevention of loss.
We gno that 80% of war casualties are always non-combatants.
Iraq was more of an attempted armed robbery.
We gno that this action will continue… as long as the principals are turning a reasonable profit.
High estimate of the borrowed debt on this action is a trillion dollars, ( 1,000,000,000,000$, .. a million-million$).
53% of the paper on this debt is held by people with grounds to hate America. (China 25%, Japan28%).
I do not gno if they hold a grudge, … but,…. What if;
- Feb. 2009, … gas is 2$/quart. The shelves in the market are empty,.. because shipping costs are un-workable, … which is muted by the unemployment caused by people not affording transportation to work.
- With Americans freezing in the dark,… a business decision is made in Asia to foreclose on the dead-beat … America. The cow has been bled dry. May as well eat it!
- USD. …devaluated by 50%. This means,… that which you can not afford,.. is now twice as expensive. That which you owe,.. is now double. Your wages hasn’t changed. (Sound familiar,… you fuckers did this to Mexico)
-Asiatic cultures are traditionally less warm blooded towards their …slaves.
Of course,.. the solution is:
Public execution of this administration,.. whilste in office. The Presidency must be ended. .. not harass a past president.
Seize the personal & corporate assets of those who have & are profiting from the Iraq action, … to pay the debt. ( or your great grandchildren will be nickel-whores in Thailand & Tijuana. ) ---- it was a big joke when ‘homeland-security’ was robbing Muslim-corner stores, … under the accusation of funding,.. terror.
Have you noticed that, that which you pay taxes to have done,… isn’t being done?

When ‘W’ was ‘elected’ ,… (I always thought that it made George angry,.. that Sadaam got 100% Sadaam-YES, & George couldn’t get 50% of the 50% who vote.) --- I wanted George to submit to being shot in the head,.. & actually die,.. to prove that he was not the anti-Christ. You gno that he WOULD bar-b-que a pig on the alter of the 3rd temple.
But now,… we gno that he did what he was paid to do, .. the same thing that Gorbi did for the Soviet Union.
What to do? A 2X6 & an automobile alternator is a wind generator. … only save the hardwood pallets/shipping crates,.. the soft ones gum up the chimney.
Grassroots
June 27, 2008
12:22 PM PDT
Not long come back from Amsterdam ,it's one of my favourite cities!
And yes, "Freedom" is taken seriously in western Europe and you can FEEL IT too.
You come back to the present United States and you HEAR the word "Freedom" bandied about a lot,but you don't feel it,in your bones,AS MUCH,any more,especially since Bush 'invaded' and 'occupied' our White House!
As regards the Nuremburg defense,yeh the 'get out of jail(hopefully)free' card was usually, "I was just following orders".I remember it well!
Just like now,with witnesses,under subpoena,sitting in front of the not-so Judiciary Committee saying,"Sir,I DON'T RECALL".
Or,"do you swear to tell the truth,the WHOLE TRUTH...",blah blah blah.
And you know they want to reply,"Well Sir,that depends on HOW you define "truth"? LOL!
Cheney and Addington should marry EACH OTHER,because they obviously adore,and revel in despotic national sadism.

The only thing is,Iraq is NOT A WAR.
This is a carefully contrived invasion and occupation of a Nation for the purpose of stealing their resources and spreading out OUR military bases,throughout Asia and the Middle East.
The term "war" is merely a name tag attached to the OTHER trendy word "terror",which after the very 'convenient'(to Bush/Cheney etc)happenings of 9/11 became the campaign phrase/propaganda lie pushed,with passion,by Bush and Cheney on every occasion where the press/TV were present. It was SO REHEARSED!
The "war on terror" was the campaign phrase that was sold to swing the U.N. EU and provide the Congressional excuse to enact ALL SORTS of 'emergency' laws AS IF WE WERE AT WAR, and GET US INTO AN ILLEGAL invasion/occupation of a foreign country.

9/11,I believe was the Pearl Harbour,that Bush and Cheney allowed to happen,in order to open the door for military deployment and Senate appropriations of TAX-PAYERS MONEY to equip the military.
They INSISTED that Saddam was linked to Al Qaeda(he actually LOATHED THEM)and,
they ignored ALL THE EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY,provided by the CIA,MI5/6,Mossad, AND Pentagon experts.
They made everything possible,look like a "war" and took advantage of the people WHILE THEY WERE MOURNING the loss of those on 9/11. In other words Bush and Cheney and their scummy crew KICKED AN INJURED 'MAN',in the head,WHEN HE WAS ALREADY DOWN!
They sold us "WAR" yet all that happened was an avoidable tragedy committed by a minority radical group,WHO ARE NOW EVEN MORE RADICAL and not SUCH A minority!
This is not a war.It wasn't even a "liberation"!
It is an illegal occupation and invasion,therefore,TO ME,there are even MORE REASONS why Bush and Cheney et al should be in a 6x6 'cage in front of the ICC!

They would,no doubt,all espouse that "They were ONLY following the greasy OIL PLAN" LOL!
If Iraq HAD attacked us,we would have had every legal right to declare retaliatory war,in defense of our Nation and its people.
But Iraq did NOT attack us.
A small(relatively)group of MULTI-NATIONAL(Mainly Saudi)religious fanatics,with chips on their shoulders,DID!
So if all International rules of warfare were IGNORED by Bush and Cheney,why ARE OUR boys and girls over there,getting killed or emotional,psychologically and physically maimed?
Well,we ALL now that answer now,RIGHT?
In which case,why the f*** shouldn't they refuse to defend a political neo-con LIE?
BONA FIDE "War" is something different from this orchestrated Oil Corporation charade!

Go figure!
DredOne
June 27, 2008
2:21 AM PDT
Remember the Nuremburg-defense: “I was only following orders.”
How many were hanged for saying that or just being the vanquished enemy?
Granted,.. desertion in time of war is a hanging offense, so really, .. its shot by these or hanged by those.
The ‘Nam dodgers were ultimately exonerated, .. some of those squirrelly fuckers came up here. People fed them washed their clothes & gave them gas money( .. for a little honest work.) But most of them were really squirmy & couldn,t get their heads around freedom…. A day or two & off they would run. Generally speaking,.. good boys!
Canada presently has a Yankee puppet gov,t, .. so,… try Amsterdam this time,… if you can get your head around ‘mind-blowing freedom.’ (The only question that I heard at the border was, “Do you have any money?”)
Grassroots
June 17, 2008
8:46 AM PDT
Before our Government and military get their knickers in a twist/legally and MORALLY,about Iraqi/Afghanistan war veterans refusing to return to the battle zone,going AWOL etc,those same authorities should admit that those responsible for the GREATEST NEGLECT OF military and civil DUTY,and UNPATRIOTIC actions are those in the White House,CIA,FBI,Congress,Corporate media,who orchestrated the whole Iraqi/Afghan illegal occupations and evidentially OFFENDED the American people and its allies!
Those public servants who are finally dissenting,in light of all the evidence coming out against our corrupt Government/Media and its 'selling' of the invasions,HAPPEN TO BE SHOWING GREAT COURAGE,and I feel that the longer this goes on,THE MORE active personnel will and should stand up, and say,"ENOUGH of this immoral and unethical crap.We will not be patsies for an illegal war under International Laws".
They want to stick someone in prison for desertion of National duty and derelication of duty,START WITH BUSH,CHENEY,RICE,WOLFOWITZ,RUMSFELD,MUELLER ET AL.
Because this crime STARTS AT THE TOP!
Bush vowed to Protect and Defend--and he blatantly NEGELECTED AND OFFENDED!
And as a patriot of my beloved country I am proud to DISSENT in front such Government corruption.