LOL! Aw shucks!
Was it something I said?
I was JUST going to read you some Darwish TOO! Oh well!

Bai,Agur! E/H.
Peace,Salaam,Shalom

Sorry Grassroots, I guess you are an incorrigible Koskid, moveon.org, nutroots type, full of conspiracy theories and incapable of understanding reality. I leave you to your fantasies. Such a waste! one thing for sure, you don't understand the menace Islam presents to the civilized world. Of course you realize that Mohammed "married" Kahalisha when she was only 6, and "consummated" the "marriage" when she was 9. Whatever Mo felt like doing, he conveniently arranged for Jibreel to reveal to him and to have such "revelations" recorded for all time in the Qu'ran. Of course, Mohammed was uswa hasana al kamil al insan, wasn't he? The perfect example in his murderous rampage of forced conversions across Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the rest of the Middle East. Modern-day jihadists and purveyors of violence against the Kuffars are merely following his example!
Agur!

E/H,"horsefeathers" HAY-eh? LOL!

Well,that's all I'd expect from an ole' nag with a DELUDED brain! LOL!
Oh,and all those 'wonderful'character traits and conjugal rites were introduced by power-hungry bullies,at the EXTREME ends of their culture and faith,who chose to conveniently misinterpret their 'faith' to meet their OWN ends.
You know,just like the bad bacteria within Judaism and Christianity,who do EXACTLY the same!
Or haven't you seen the recent Israeli/Jewish statistics of conjugal beatings,abuse of women,use of foreign prostitutes,the rise of sexually transmitted diseases,use of drugs,abandonment of children,alcoholism?

Oh yes! they can match the rest of world ANYTIME on those 'attributes'. LOL!
In fact it's becoming an OPEN wound on their international 'image' now.

Hey,don't forget,the prophet Moh'd was married to a very successful Caravan-Trade business EXEC! A very independent and liberated woman,who he greatly loved and respected.
Yes!Khadija,the first lady of Islam,was a company CEO! Cool eh!
Where's the "subjugation" IN THAT?


"Long live Israel"?
Oh and that's a problem TOO.
Due to the rising problems in INFERTILITY (no! E/H, not the land. Tho' that's increasing fast)of the men and women in Israel,according to the Scientific/medical journals.Check out the stats,you'll see.
The genes are weakening from so little FRESH 'oxygen' The fanatical Zionists are depleting their OWN gene line! How SELFISH is that!

A long and beautiful Israel?
Oh I would wish that was so. But it will only ever be ACHIEVED as a peaceful,multi-faith,multi-ethnic/cultural,mutually respectful ONE-Nation-solution.
Until then,yes,your present Israel is HORSEFEATHERS! LOL!

Ikusi Arte!

Peace,Salaam ,Shalom!

Hey E/H: Again...I recommend you read the book "the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Ilan Pappe, an Israeli historian http://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851684670 or is he a self-hating Jew?

Dear Grassroots:

Horsefeathers!! That is just so much lying propaganda! please wake up and get a life. All of what you are telling me is taqiya, pure and simple. You KNOW that the Palestinians are masters at lying about "atrocities" perpetrated on their children and other civilians. The Palestinian terrorists are famous for hiding behind women and children. Remember the alleged atrocities committed by Israeli troops in Benin? It was a hoax! what you are trying to portray as the truth is nothing but prevarications. And, for your information, the industrious Israelis have "made the desert bloom". Where, pray tell, has a country under Sharia law amounted to anything?? they sure are great at stonings, beheadings, amputations, genital mutilation of girls, honor killings, wife beatings, the subjugation of women, the murder of those who leave Islam, und so weiter, all sanctioned by the Quran and the hadiths, though. Oh, by the way, Islam has always been inimical to Jews; devout Muslims consider them the offspring of apes and pigs, and they quote from the Quran that in the last days the rock will say, "O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, Come and kill him!"

Long live Israel!!

Ez horregatik!

WOW! "seething with hatred" E/H?
Is that the same 'seething' hatred that recently filled the Jewish settlers in Hebron,and made THEM throw the residential and indigenous Palestinians off the rooftops of their own homes?
And the same "seething hatred" that makes the IOF put,at point blank range,steel bullets into the heads,arms,back,chest,feet,legs etc of UNARMED Palestinian boys and girls? You know the kids that having nothing more than rocks and slingshots to hit back with AGAINST TANKS WITH SHRAPNEL MISSILES,F-16 FIGHTER JETS,HELICOPTERS,PHOSPHOROUS GAS,SONIC BOMBS,RUBBER COATED STEEL BULLETS,HIGH-POWERED SNIPER RIFLES,BULLDOZERS OH AND Israeli warships prowling the coast taking pot-shots for practise ETC ETC

And you talk of "productive" people?
The Muslims,Christians and Jews,prior to 1948 lived side by side on fruitful,fertile land,filled with orchards,vegetable fields,crops,clean water rivers and streams and life was relatively good FOR all.
Then along came the Zionists,from Europe(willingly OR by force)and turned this rich fertile Holy Land/Levant into a filthy barren concrete wasteland.
LOL! Some ZION eh?
Their OWN Jewish terrorist thugs(does the word "STERN" come to mind,or MOSSAD perhaps et al) ran amok with their own Zionist 'jihad', pushed the Palestinians into concentration camps,murdered thousands more(many of whom were innocent men,women and children),and drove the rest from the land and their equipment.
How the f*** were/are the Palestinians meant to be "PRODUCTIVE" when they have LOST EVERYTHING they had,to PRODUCE with?
And Israel "productive"? Give me a break!
Have you seen how ugly those battle-fort settlements ARE? LOL!
And the ONLY thing they seem to 'produce'adequately to keep them SOMEWHAT on the global market is WEAPONS,Nuclear missiles and 'BEAUTY' PRODUCTS made with Dead-Sea salt and all other SEWAGE cr**! lol!
If you E/H were confined ON YOUR LAND,to a prison,with no workable land,no money,no food,no fuel,no medications,no educational facilities hardly etc etc,and left with little more than hope,National pride.identity and PROUD dignity....
YOU TOO,E/H would be "seething" with anger!
If one minute,YOU HAD EVERYTHING,and the next minute someone stormed in and WRECKED your house,job,family,life etc you would be filled with hatred TOO!
LOL! With all that Israel HAS now,and the little that the Palestinians have,
hey man,it's a no-brainer.The lunatic-Zionists win the "backward" neanderthal game EVERY TIME!
Why do you think the people in Western Europe(including other Jews)were so keen to get rid of them post WW2? LOL!
Mousab Yousef converted to Christianity?
Jeeez! He must have retained SOME rationality by realising that he could stay nearer to God by signing up with his old ancient pals the Christians!
Now if you had told me he had signed up with the Jewish Jihadi Zionists,then I would say he'd really LOST IT! LOL!
You know,looking at Israel today and what the said "chosen" people have done to the once BEAUTIFUL and Luscious Holy Land,I reckon the "messiah" has already been,took one look,and said,
"Hey God,get me out of this Zionist wasteland". LOL!

"...leave our land
Our shore, our sea
Our wheat, our salt, our wound."(Darwish)

ongi etorri!

Peace,Salaam,Shalom!

Hot off the press, you who maintain that Hamas and the other terrorist thugs are heroic protectors of the Palestinians who are being "deprived of their basic rights" by the "perfidious" Israelis: Mousab Yousef, the former Hamas jihadist and the son of a prominent Hamas official, has fled Palestine and converted to Christianity. He is truly a brave young man, as now he is subject to the death penalty for apostatizing from Islam. He said he was captured and sent to an Israeli prison, where he found out how truly cruel and depraved some of his fellow terrorists were. They tortured and mutilated their own. he also said that Hamas has an unrelenting hatred for Israel and the Jews and could never live in peace with Israel.
By the way, for more enlightenment from a former Jihadist, who also converted to Christianity, read the story of Walid Shoebat, who was once a Palesterian terrorist but saw how evil his cause was and could no longer be a member of a totalitarian religion and kill for the glory of Allah.

Eskerrik asko!

For Mahmoud Darwish,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nHSAQqINbE&feature=related

Peace,Salaam,Shalom!

debois: i feel sorry for you. I fully realize that some of the Palestinians are Christians; they must either be subservient Dhimmis or they will be harassed and persecuted. I did not "cut and paste" anything from Daniel Pipes, whom I much admire. I also did not "cut and paste" anything from Robert Spencer's Jihadwatch.org, an excellent exposer of Islamic taqiya and kitman. Where have I made any hateful statements? I am only stating the facts. Why is it that the Muslims in Palestine are so full of hate for Jews and Christians that they teach their children at an early age to aspire to become jihadis? The people you named are caught up in the maelstrom of seething hatred. The Palestinian Muslims are so full of hate that they turn on each other like rabid dogs-remember how Hamas thugs threw Fatah officials off buildings when they took over. If only the people of Palestine would put as much energy into becoming productive citizens as they do in stoking their hatred for Israel. How is it that Israel is such a productive country, and Palestine is so backward? Oh, of course, it is the JOOOS fault!! Of course, the Muslims are only following the example of uswa hasana, al kamil al insan, aren't they?

eskerrik asko!
Eskerrik asko!

May he rest in peaceful verse.

Darwish's poetry came from LIVED reality and personal experience of deep ACTUAL pain and collective punishment reigned down on his people by a deluded and hateful fanatical group of people,within the magnificent religion of Judaism.
The same small group who COULD be the downfall of Israel TOTAL,if they don't WAKE-UP and see the REAL light! Who needs enemies when you're being eaten away,from WITHIN?

Oh,wait a minute,that's probably where a lot of beautiful,but sad,Jewish poetry came from,the SAME HOLOCAUST type PAIN and suffering that THEY went through.
For the same reasons.
Because that OTHER deluded and fanatical group in Europe called Nazis pre and peri-WW2,were DESPERATE to get the deluded and power-hungry,and very DISSIDENT and anti-social Zionists,who were a pain in their proverbial European b***,OUT OF Europe.
And as we saw,the Nazis were the downfall of THEIR beautiful Germanic Nation TOO!

It's funny you should think,E/H,that Christians and Muslims,Europeans and Arabian people hate each other.I remember seeing MANY,that lived together in great PEACE.

You are just talking of the fanatic minority'viruses'that OCCUPY every great monotheistic Faith! Gnawing away FROM WITHIN!
Jeeez! They are ALWAYS a pain in EVERY FAITHS a***! LOL!
Jews and Christians too!
I remember,pre AND post WW2,that MOST OF THE Jewish people DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO LEAVE Germany(Western Europe)LOL!
Many were happy and settled and living side-by-side with multi-faith/cultural peoples and they DIDN'T want to have to sell up,pack up and go,to this NEWLY created'State of Israel'(chosen by the Zionists and the mandated POWERS),LOL!

The Zionists had to BULLY their OWN FAITH,and PAY them to go,with British and US money and property deals.
Oh the IRONY!
It had to look like ALL JEWISH people were SCRAMBLING with DEVOTION and enthusiasm to reach the NEW ZION! The media helped of course with that one.
But,it reality,many were being BULLIED by their OWN internal fanatics to go.
Leave an oasis from a desert intern camp? Are you crazy!
Many Jewish people were put on a 'guilt-trip',to go,when they were leaving behind a good comfortable,peaceful life,homes they had worked hard to establish,in neighbourhoods conducive to their faith,with relatively steady jobs(recession time pre-war).
Imagine that!Some of the "chosen" people CHOOSING NOT to go to the "promised" land!!! Go figure!
Boy that must have been EMBARRASSING for the political Zionists who thought their people would 'Choose' to be push-over! Talk about irony!

And while this was going on in Europe,over in The Holy Land the Palestinian Arabs(majority),Jews,Christians etc, were ALL living peacefully side-by side in the rich,ancient,resourceful,magnificent HOLY LAND and Levant!
Crops grew,rivers ran,orchards flourished,sheep and goats grazed,kites flew,people swam in the ocean,ate each others food,drank together,danced together and people OF ALL FAITHS moved and WORSHIPPED freely,EVEN WHEN the European Mandate was overseeing,LOL!
Inter-marrying,converting whichever way they wanted, working,living together because within them all there was/is ONLY ONE GOD! And the Palestinians were HAPPY to live in CONSENSUAL PEACE.Live side-by-side and each to their own,respectfully!
Salaam,Shalom,Amen!

Then! Stomp! Stomp! IN CAME THE ZIONISTS,with their US and British stipends and 'land deeds'(not worth the toilet paper they were written on)
and in building their ugly battle-fort of "Zion" wrecked,and wreaked HAVOC,within the once beautiful multi-cultural,multi-faith,OVERALL peaceful and ancient Holy Land.
And in the process,inflicted the same rascism,ethnic cleansing,and bigotry upon a people who HAD ALWAYS lived side by side peacefully with them AND CHRISTIANS!

The Jewish Zionists TURNED into the Nazis and made the Palestinians their JEWS.
Savage creatures like Ben Gurion stated that the Arabs were nothing more than "animals walking on all fours".
Oh and there was something about "dashing their childrens heads against the rocks" if I remember correctly?
It's like watching,presently, 'viruses' like Bush and Bin Laden eat away,from within,their own respective magnificent religions of Christianity and Islam.
Very 'peaceful' and 'biblical'! say what?

And what have the Zionists done since being politely thrown out of Europe?
They have made an oasis a barren wasteland. Bitter fruits and dry crops.
They have polluted the Holy RIVER JORDAN.
They have turned the beautiful Mediterranean paradise into a blood-soaked battle-field.
They attack stone-throwing KIDS with tanks,missiles and snipered STEEL bullets.
They ILLEGALLY build those REALLY UGLY MONSTROCITIES called'settlements' which look THEMSELVES like Concentration camps,(hope they didn't build any hotels and resorts there? They are TOO ugly for foreign tourists of ANY GOOD taste to come and stay in LOL!)
And of course their GREAT ARTISTIC MASTERPIECE--THE RASCIST WALL of denial!
They don't even realise that that very same wall is CUTTING THEM OFF FROM THE WORLD TOO! They will suffocate themselves in their deluded lunacy!
And in the end?
Well you can't put God in a box,or build prison walls around his people(all people).
He will burst FORTH ROARING,and SHOUT,"why hast thou forsaken me,oh people of Judea"? His breath shall raze the wall to the ground,to dust.
And ALL the people created in his image(Christians,Muslims,Jews etc)will be free to roam AGAIN!
The sooner,the fanatical Zionist neo-con faction within Israel wake up and realise that,by their VERY INHUMANE and cruel,devious disregard of others,the further away from God they get,and that by BUILDING walls they INSULT God,the sooner The Holy Land can get back to the peaceful place it ONCE WAS,with ALL faiths and cultures living side by side.
Remember the time it took to build the Berlin wall? I do!
Remember how quickly it was KNOCKED DOWN? I do!

Wall today? Gone tomorrow! Dust to dust!
So wake up or:
"...leave our land
Our shore, our sea
Our wheat, our salt, our wound."

Peace,Salaam,Shalom!