Oh dear! Sarah doesn't even know the difference between Grand Rapids and CEDAR RAPIDS! OOOOP!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/21/uselections2008.barackobama
I smell MORE CABBAGE!

"So what third world ghetto are you posting your nonsense from?"(oldbeliever)

I guess it was THIS comment you made to jagib.
So cold and WITHOUT good conscience or deep thought.
Personally,I am not interested in WHERE jagib,OR YOU,are from or what faith he/she is.
That's not important because he/she is equal to you and me and everyone else here.
And their comments are just as valid as everyone elses.
It's the fact that you coldly insulted "third world" people,who are usually very poor,oppressed,brutalized and down-trodden people,throug no fault of their OWN.
And when you put down the third world,that tells me you're probably a racist TOO,seeing as the MAJORITY of the third-world countries are NOT white.
But them you have probably NEVER BEEN to any,as well.
You insulted all the people,world-wide(including fellow Americans)who MAY HAVE to live in poor areas,with bad housing,NO employment and VERY little utilities available,OR,AS YOU CALLED them "ghetto"s.
You seem to forget(maybe conveniently),or just DON'T see or care,that many people are FORCED,HERDED,ENSLAVED into these areas,by other people who want their land, resources and wealth.
O/B, people,when they HAVE THE CHOICE,don't choose to live in such poor areas.They are PRIMARILY FORCED to,because the land/resource grabbing bullies come along and push them off the land,where they grew up,raised their children,have their culture and history,self-sustain,gather,hunt,grow,and just take from the environment what they need,seasonally etc, and shove them into camps,rural reservations,urban reservations etc.
Only a bigot could throw out such a cold comment about people in "third world ghettos" and not realise the message you are sending to others.
And seeing as that was such a cold bitter comment,and the very FIRST THING you typed in....well? Not very Christian of you! LOL!
You'll probably call my comments,a "Childish put-down" LOL!
But hey whatever!
Oh O/B,LOL! Its not MY job to "enlighten" you,even though I'm probably OLDER than you,but then age does NOT ensure wisdom and maturity.
Hey look at John McInsane! What a wilted lettuce he is!
No! You must enlighten YOURSELF O/B!

Oh and don't worry about Obama.
He can take care of himself. There are far more important things going on in our Nation and the world.
Glad we agree on Ron Paul though! Very savvy man! Just like Ralph Nader.Very clever and common-sensical guys! Ron Paul reminds of Thomas Paine.
Gotta go,my grandson is coming to drag me out for 6 mile run(I might manage 4,but won't tell him that.He's buying lunch, lol).

Grass Roots
I'm still waiting for you to enlighten us as to how my post reveals me to be a bigot?

Then again I'm still waiting for you to give real answers (as opposed to childish put downs and rehashed leftist rhetoric), to the other questions I've posed to you especially as related to Obama?

Gardener
Right you are about the fertilizer, and Grassroots wants this disscussion board to be very fertile ground with all the dumping he does on here!

I did notice the news reports and made the same observation. Oddly Grass Roots linked to one of the better commentaries on this subject on the "Guns and Butter" topic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d73KlhUq1W8

Like I said Ron Paul is a very smart man who not only understands the problems, but the Root causes. He also states at the end of his message that the USA can and will rise above this crisis.

Well--"oldbeliever"--I think your writings are good too--its nice to have some newbies here to give differing opinions. And we don't have to agree or believe everything we read or hear--just being aware of the info helps us decide whats true and what's a pile of crap.

But, in my gardening experience--chicken sh!t is the best fertilizer to use for food crops!

BTW- have you noticed in the news reports that its the Fed Govt that is doing the bail outs--they haven't said anything more about Europe actually being the one's to be doing this 'bail out'??

I expect that kind of childish nonsense from someone like you Grass.
Now try to act adult and explain parts of my post lead you to that conclusion.

LOL! Hey O/B!
You know I've just figured out what OB really means!
ORNERY BIGOT!
Why didn't you say?
Yawnnnn!

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Another ton of poop from Grassroots and his Jihadist friend!
If I read all of the gloom and doom, conspiracy crap you guys read I might be as chicken sh!t as you are, but I have a policy of not believing everything I read on the net.
Here's a little clue for the clueless. If you go to a source and everybody on there is tossing turds from one side of the fence, your not going to get anything out of it but a lot of sh!t! I read that crap, but only to see what those on the wrong side are thinking and just how far they'll streeeeetch their version of the truth.

If you can't trash someone for being rich, (successful), then trash them for being "old", (mature and experienced). That's been the leftist way for half a century! Preach to the young and naive. Since they have never earned anything, they are quick to believe that every successful person got their's through corruption or class entitlement. Since they always believe they are soo much smarter then their elders, they are quick to conclude that the "old" way is always the wrong way and must be overcome. Why do you think our colleges are always the launching sites for the cry for "revolutionary change"? It's because the leftists that dominate the college faculties know it's the best place to find half filled minds that are easy to twist and manipulate.
Ask yourself, (not your professor), this, What happened to the previous generations of college students who were led down that twisted path? I'll bet if you did ask your "mentors" they would say, "they got their minds twisted by the pursuit of MONEY and POWER and forgot about all the IMPORTANT things we tried to teach them!" No the fact is they left that little LA LA land of "ME" hood. and realized that there is a real world out there with every day challenges and rewards. They became adults and bought homes and raised families and realized that for all it's warts this is still the best place in the world to live, and we ALL have a stake in it.
Does this country have some major problems facing it? Hell yeah!, but they're never as serious as they're made to appear at election time. We've faced worse and learned and grew from it, and I'm sure we will again!
Yes Roots there is corruption in the market place and we will clean it up, and Jabib are you really that dumb that you think the, "greedy filthy rich Americans who really don't give a hoot about their country", are gonna kill the goose that layed that golden egg? LOL
Keep drinking that Obama Koolaid boys! He's gonna clean out the "corporate corruption" yeah weren't they all! You say, "bin laden would be behind bars already if we had did as Obama suggested and went after him in Afghanistan/ Pakistan years ago". Wow what a grand plan. Fact is we have been going after him in both countries, but short of pounding the entire mountain range with bombs, or launching a huge offensive the other rat in his hole will not come out. If Obama were to win and do just that tell me something Jagib, will you still be on the side of those who say nothing when gutless terrorist blow up innocent people, and then trash the USA when they retaliate against the terrorists, (who hide like little girls amongst the innocents), and innocent people get hurt and killed? Will you still support the phony assed casualty numbers you now rant on. You know like the 1.5 million WE have killed in Iraq which is a ton of BS. Will you still believe everything spouted by the America hating, terrorist supporting press and websites that you and Root boy quote so freely without questioning their validity?

Here you go! What do you think? Should we just TAR and FEATHER the whole crooked bunch,or send 'em off to Guantanamo?

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081006/greider

The Marriot? No I bet it was CIA/Mossad!LOL!
But fear not! Sir Bushahad is due in Pakistan this week,on his white steed,with his arabian sword flying(courtesy of the al-Sauds),to save ole' Mr.US-puppet-Zadari! (Yeh right!)
Oh,and now Mr'10 per cent'Zardari has managed to bump off his wife Benazir,HE'S worth 50 percent NOW,as long as he lets in the US troops and DOES AS HE'S TOLD!! LOL!

Yeah thanks Grassroots! I expected to get a lengthy, real, educated response from you! Your writing is superb!

I guess Pakistani's didn't like the Marriott Hotel--- oh I forgot--it was 'alkida' who made the bomb..

Now I have to get these beady little eyes back to my beading...