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Iraq - A Just War or Just Wrong?
jonthan91
September 19, 2008
10:12 AM PDT
I've heard some interesting conspiracy theories on the subject.The one that would be most logical is the oil conspiracy.After the oil reserves run dry America and Canada will still have massive oil reserves within there borders.This will allow them complete control of the monopoly. But there are so many conspiracy who's to say if and what one is right.This is just the most logical one out of all that I've heard of.
Grassroots
September 17, 2008
3:26 PM PDT
Yes! Bush is expanding Bagram prison in Afghanistan.Maybe they would ALL like it there? lol!
jagib
September 17, 2008
2:50 PM PDT
this comment goes directly to that u.s. soldier standing over the iraqi infant on the floor - ' you are going to burn in hell' & so is anybody else who supports this
evil war in Iraq. see www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11799.htm

one million Iraqi civilians dead; one million Iraqi children orphaned;.. 4,000 u.s. soldiers dead and mccain wants to keep going...in Iraq & into Iran. How can any American( with a conscience) vote for this man. bush, his war and his puppets must go.
Grassroots
September 17, 2008
10:45 AM PDT
Good! Get that egg protein in your political 'muscle' and ram it back at them!
Did you see the other post on how Bush senior etc are secretly buying up MORE(privately)Federal/National/Native American land? You keep a 'beady' eye on them!

Ars******!
thegardener
September 17, 2008
8:10 AM PDT
Yeah, thanks 'grassroots'. I do have avenues of speech that I can use without being retaliated upon...and it ain't the branch of the department of the interior...
No, I am going to allow myself to be screwed by the BIA any more! My tribe has an ex-senator working for us to help us get our Fed-recognition back...
I am thankful I had a good crop this year- will be eating good this winter! My chickens will be eating good also with the abundance of various varieties of squashes and corn! Love those fresh eggs!!
Grassroots
September 17, 2008
7:59 AM PDT
Don't give up gardener! These guys are not Gods,the're only human but they know what a stnkin' pickle they are ALL IN,right now,domestically and Globally! If you just LEAVE THEM TO DO IT,they won't! Like you say, it will just a BIGGER band-aid! LOL!
But these are YOUR Public-Servants gardener,you pay them a salary to maintain Justice and Democracy according to the Constitution and Bill of Rights etc.
Anything you DON'T like or are not happy about,YOU HAVE TO TELL THEM.
Write to them,phone their offices,email their websites(State based OR D.C.),keep at them to hear your voice and opinion,it's YOUR Freedom of Speech and your Nation.
If you just stay mute,you are doing what they want,staying suppressed,oppressed and DEPRESSED! And they can go on their merry way UNCHALLENGED and not held ACCOUNTABLE! F*** that!
I get up every morning at around 5(age means I need less,and the cat and dog are hungry lol).I make a drink and check the world and National news,and if there is ANYTHING I see,to do with OUR 'esteemed' PUBLIC-servants,that is outrightly bad,immoral,illegal,unethical and UNPROFESSIONAL,or even OUTSTANDINGLY GOOD,I get at them about it,without any guilt,and give credit where it's due.
I fought in WW2,for Democracy,Freedom,Truth,Justice and my Nation and people,and they are NOT going to sh** on that,and sweep it UNDER the rug of THEIR convenience.
Not while I am a citizen,care about my neighbors,home,have my voice and vote,pay their f****** salaries,AND HAVE THE RIGHT!LOL!
I will not wear a gag,A BLINDFOLD,or earmuffs(except when it's 30 below of course lol)
Inbetween my coffee and toast,this morn',I wrote to 4 Senators.
One to say,"Good Job,keep it up" LOL!
Two,to say "Crap Job,shame on you,we are watching YOU" LOL!
And one,to say," Keep up the good fight,you'll get there"!
I send them articles from worldwide press etc, and tell them it's BECAUSE I CARE about what they do when they are in OUR PUBLIC OFFICES.
So gardener,in between your art and organic crops and down-time- you give them STINK and tell them you don't need a paltry band-aid,you WANT THE FULL OPERATION! LOL!
How's the squash coming? Glad you liked the song/cartoon too.Pretty cool eh?
thegardener
September 17, 2008
6:08 AM PDT
I hate to say this---but, I really don't think either candidate will actually be able to do anything but put band aids on the all the festering cuts that have been unfix able in the past. Change, change, change---change what? Change the way this country has started new wars, change the way this country puts the screws to the poor? If McCain gets in, his fake liberal/conservative acts will start another war--while making sure the Bush war continues to radge on until they have to make a truce...or move on to Iran and Syria. If Obaba gets in, he will use Bi den as his brain because he will realize the intensity of the mess the other presidents have left behind---and still won't be able to bring about the change he talked of in his "speeches". I think the only thing that either will be able to do is put more control on us by continuing to monitor our every move and perfecting that little micro-chip that 'they' will insist they put in us all...
Grassroots
September 16, 2008
10:08 AM PDT
p.s. O/B, this is for you.If you REALLY listen to his words, I know you won't be able to disagree with ANYTHING this fine American says.Because you're a patriot O/B.
This politician is my Socrates,Plato and Aristotle all rolled into one!
Enjoy it! Peace!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rvuF7p2uwE
Grassroots
September 16, 2008
7:46 AM PDT
But O/B you forget! All that 'me,me' media crap comes from Corporation media(Fox,ABC,NBC,CBS,MSNBC,CNN etc etc)who ARE mostly on the Radical Right,and who don't want YOU to know anything else,about ANYWHERE ELSE,but how to SPEND,SPEND,SPEND and pretend that life is STILL ALL apple pie,white-picket fences,starched white aprons,and OBIE walking down the street with his fishing-pole! LOL! Oh those WERE the days!
You know,all the Corporate media is the ENTITY that pushes the political brainwashing,to feed the fat-cats at the expense of the common people,who they just want to nullify and subdue,and just bring out once or twice a year,dust them off,cover them with perty pins and say,"now remeber,cheer on cue"!
You bet I'm anti THIS Government and the last,and the last,and the last! LOL! They are becoming about as UNAMERICAN,and as far away from Democracy as I have ever WITNESSED!They are demolishing everything that the War of Independence fought for!
And they are prostituting OUR CONSTITUTION,for their whims!
I despair as much as you O/B,because I love my country,people,Constitution,Bill of Rights and Civil Liberties.
And all I see are politicians who are too cowardly,TOO BOUGHT AND PAID FOR,to stand up for their citizens and Nations rights,and choose to merely fall to the knees of corporations who now practically control AND WORK THE Government AND MEDIA like PUPPETS,and feed their ill gotten gains/blood money/war profits BACK into the political parties in order to hold these LAVISH,wasteful Robotic Conventions for the 'party faithful' and mostly BLIND,to come and WORSHIP and 'adore' the Demogogues.
When that,should be saved for GOD!
Everything else is FALLIBLE and corruptable and should be treated as such,with great suspicion and held to accountability!
You keep going on about "commies"? LOL.
Then I'm sure you recognise that Nationalization/police State politics/ONE party control is PRACTICALLY here TOO!
The only thing thing that stops it from coming IN full time is CAPITALISM! LOL!
The Capitalists(top 20% only of the population)WON'T let go of their grip on profits and CONTROL of the cash flow). And less and less of it is filtering through to the common people(80%) who are the ones WORKING THE HARDEST TO SURVIVE!
Just look at the financial MESS THAT EMERGED yesterday!That is what you call BAD-ARSE GOVERNING and neglect and abuse of OFFICE!
If you are anti-commi O/B, you should be LOATHING the PRESENT and last 3 Governments too,because that's just about what they are,hidden under the convenient 'CAPE' of Capitalism,'Free Enterprise'and THEIR version of "Free Trade"(free for us AT THE EXPENSE OF MILLIONS OF OTHERS LIVES,ECONOMY and ECOLOGY). It's about as "Free" as Abu Ghraib(designed by American Architects btw)

And WHEN WE SOLD HIM CHEMICAL weapons "we" obviously knew what he was going to do WITH THEM! And should have said to him,"sorry buddy,we know what these do,we used them before on people,you'll have to buy them from someone else, we learnt our lesson"!
But no! Even now,in Iraq,our 'scientists' are testing their laser/thermal/chemical weapons on innocent people(guinea pigs)to see whether they are 'MARKETABLE'.
Oh! and 'URUKNET' is an excellant source of global info.One of about twenty I use daily in order to get the Global view. But I suppose you are not interested in the GLOBAL VIEW,are you O/B? Not until you take off that duct-tape!
This country is STILL great,it's just in the hands of cowardly,corrupt and VERY unethical,immoral 'leaders',most of whom PRETEND to be the most PIOUS! LOL!
You know O/B,the radical Right-wing who also own the GOP and feed it financially from war-profits and blood-money(KBR,Halliburton,Bechtel,GE,GM,Lockhead-Martin,Blackwater,Fox(Faux)DynCorp,Diebold, blah,blah,blah)and pump funds/profits into White Supremacist Groups,who IN TURN fund the MEGA-Churches to push the "Crusade" and "Mission" and 'Godly' work agenda,pumping out ROBOTS like Bush,Rove,McCain and Palin onto the UNKNOWING and innocent people who are USUALLY the ones most likely to be struggling to eat,work,educate their kids,and survive and lead a decent,healthy,dignified life.
Not excluding the Dems of course.They are pretty good at pumping out their conditioned robots,swimming in blood-money too!
And that's just sickening.
You know who I would love to see in the White House? Ralph Nader,surrounded by the best and most UNCONDITIONED politicians from ALL THE OTHER PARTIES!
He is,the quintessential American leader. He is a walking example of intellectual brilliance,DEMOCRACY,Freedom,EQUALITY,PROGRESS,GOOD ECONOMY,Common-Sense,Rationality,and CONSTITUTIONAL VALUES. Surround him with GOOD conscience and INTELLIGENT PEOPLE,and you would have back OUR Democracy!
That man,O/B,like YOUR VOTE,is a National Treasure,and represents everything that America should be AGAIN,and WILL be again!
But only if the people stand up and VOTE THEIR VALUES(National and Personal),and have the courage to stand up for TRUE Democracy!
Don't live in a dream world O/B,reality stinks and it's hard to come to terms with but it's better to face it,than deny it by burying your head in 'apple-pie' myth.
People still love God and Country,they are just fed up with seeing both USED and ABUSED,for bad politicians AGENDAS!
See you later "dude"!
oldbeliever
September 15, 2008
8:29 PM PDT

B/S
Let me guess, You learned all of that on URUKNET.COM The site you linked to on one of your other anti government rants. The site that loves and misses their dear Saddam. Created by the people who had most of the jobs and money while the other half of the country was tortured, maimed ,killed, starved under good ol' Saddam.
Oh yes! Better times indeed! For them.

Yes we know now that members of our government supported Saddam in his war against Iraq and Russia. Even after learning of his barbaric ways, but we also know that that was the beginning of the end of our support. A stupid move on our part that we will always regret! But here's an HONEST link that tells the real story American warts and all, and isn't tainted by Saddamist propaganda:
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/internationalhumanrights/p/saddam_hussein.htm

We financially supported him. We didn't tutor him on how to be an inhuman ass. We SOLD him weapons. We didn't build his palaces and dungeons. He pillaged enough from his country's oil wealth to do that himself.

As for your boneheaded notion that we could have liberated Iraq and then just walked out and all would have been fine. I won't dignify such a childish concept with a reply!

Oh and as for Vietnam and Cambodia. Read something intelligent about what the Commies over there did to the people who opposed them, when the Commies over here got their way! Easily twisted people like myself then, (like yourself now), BELIEVED it was all about peace and love and helping the Southeast Asians. If they were all about the PEOPLE then where in the hell was their outrage over the bloodbaths that followed?
That's the huge difference between me and you ROOT boy I once BELIEVED, (oldbeliever), all the Pollyanna crap you now subscribe to and totally buy into without question. Your to damned dumb to see that the other side has an agenda as well, and it's just as evil and ill intending as any half baked conspiracy theory you think the government of this country is capable of! If you think the Islamic extremists, the Eurocrats, the radical left, and the self loathing unAmericans are the answer for a better and brighter future your worthless to yourself and all you preach to here in your little Church of what Grass Roots Thinks!

I'm old enough to know that this country was once great, and a wonderful place to live. I recall when children could play in the streets after dark in ALL neighborhoods, and parents stayed together and raised their kids and loved their kids, and even looked out for and loved their neighbors! I remember when our schools were safe places where kids learned not only math and science, but history and love of God and country. That didn't change because of big brother, or evil industry, or hypocritical holy men. It changed because of all the liberal tainted ME ME ME crap the media has fed us for the past 40 years, and being so hung up on being "pollitically correct" that we could give a rat's arse about what is really right and wrong.