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INTERNATIONAL VOICES CONDEMN ATTACK ON GAZAN CIVILIANS.
Grassroots
February 7, 2009
9:22 AM PST
"If the Palestinians stop their violent resistance than Israel would have no excuses to continue their aggressive preemptive rule"

gotta: You have to read your OWN words here.
You said,"resistence"?
Palestinian Resistence against WHAT?
Pre-emption against WHAT?
(and I know you won't read ALL this because your racism,or conditioning keeps you in complete denial)
But,YOU just pretend,that YOU ARE THE PALESTINIAN HERE,having to suffer from ALL this(below),because this is the last time I will respond to you directly again,if you cannot see from ALL this,WHO the REAL aggressors ARE and where the real EVIL lays(I think in your soul you DO KNOW,but just dare not admit it,but that's okay,you have to live with that,and TRUTH is difficult to bear).

SO! You mean resistence from:
-being KEPT IN A CONCENTRATON CAMP,
-surrounded by barbed wire and sonic bombs,predator drones overhead,apache helicopters,F-16 jets(all dropping chemical weapons,cluster bombs,white phosphorous ILLEGALLY),
-hi-powered trigger happy bong-smoking teenage whack jobs called "IDF" snipers,who are mainly all emotionally and mentally SCREWED up,by Israel itself,and it's DEATH-INSPIRING Rabbis,who's rally call is "kill them all".
-illegally BLOCKADED in(MILITARILY)by LAND,SEA AND AIR,(against the UN and all International Laws,Geneva Conventions,Universal Human Rights Laws),ergo Known as "COLLECTIVE APARTHEID PUNISHMENT",or "ETHNIC CLEANSING", Nazi/Fascist style i.e.Nazi prison camps,Warsaw Ghetto,Soweto etc.

Oh! and then you have everything that's going on AGAINST UN Resolution 242(amongst many),ON PALESTINIAN LAND:
-HUMILIATION BY ILLEGAL(RACIST/APARTHEID) CHECKPOINTS,"Ver are your papers?"
-Women having to give birth on the road,because teenage IOF thugs with no brains want the mothers AND newborns to die/bleed to death(MURDER and CRIMINAL NEGLGENCE,HUMAN TORTURE).
-ROADBLOCKS(RESTRICTIVE-APARTHEID),where ALL the Palestinian/UN relief supplies/crops/agriculture goes rotten in the hot sun and hours of waitingto pass thru'.(COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT/STARVATION)
-JEWISH-ONLY(RACIST)STREETS,on Palestinian Land,but Arab/Muslims HAVE TO WALK ON DANGEROUS DIRT TRACKS.
-JEWISH-ONLY(RACIST)OUTPOSTS,WITH PSYCHOPATHIC SETTLERS(who should be a strait-jackets in lunatic asylums)
-ARMED and SHOOTING AT THEM(ATTEMPTED MURDER,assault with a deadly weapon,public harrassment),
-RAIDING THEIR ANCESTRAL HOMES(BURGLARY/THEFT/MURDER),
-SMEARING FAECES ALL OVER THEIR WALLS(HATE CRIMES),
-JEWISH-ONLY(RACIST/APARTHEID)COLONIES,on Palestinian land.
-JEWISH-ONLY HIGHWAYS/ROADS(RACIST/APARTHEID)on Palestinian Land.
-DWINDLING FOOD,WATER,MEDICINES,BOMBED UNRWA STORAGE AREAS..
-HEALTH FACILITIES DIMINISHING,OVERLOADED DOCTORS WITH NO EQUIPMENT(COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT/MANSLAUGHTER/CRIMINAL NEGLECT)
-SCHOOLS BOMBED,UN FACILITIES/HOSPITALS/COLLEGES BOMBED(RACISM/HATE CRIMES/COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT).

TELL ME gotta(and be HONEST here,because we'll see straight away if you are fibbing):
Do the ISRAELIS HAVE TO RESIST AGAINST PALESTINIAN ENFORCED:

-SICKNESS,MALNUTRITION,DISEASE.
-BOMBING,
-SNIPERS,
-DEATH,
-STARVATION,
-HI-TECH State of the Art MISSILES FROM M1A1 Abrams TANKS and BOMBEARDMENT by missiles from WAR SHIPS(in Gazan WATERS)
-BEACHES BOMBED AND RAW SEWAGE ON THE SAND.
-THEIR HOMES TURNED INTO PILES OF RUBBLE.
-THEIR BUSINESSES LOOTED AND ROBBED IF NOT BOMBED/DEMOLISHED.
-THEIR SPOUSES,CHILDREN,SIBLINGS BLOWN TO BITS BEFORE THEIR OWN EYES OR,SHOT IN THE BACK,HEAD,LEGS,KNEECAPS,CHEST,LUNGS.

Now! If you are a Palestinian,WOULDN'T YOU RESIST AGAINST ALL THAT,with whatever crude methods you had?
I know I WOULD,with TOOTH AND NAIL,sling and stone.
I did before in WW2.
As a POW it was OUR DUTY to escape and return to the battalion.
We started AS SOON as we were POW'ed,to plan escape routes, methods,resistence,tunnels,survival and NEVER GIVE IN to your UNIFORMED,FULLY EQUIPPED,STANDING ARMY FOE(not unarmed civilians/men,women,children)
LIVE FREE OR DIE.
I could go on,and on but you STILL wouldn't ADMIT that ISRAEL IS THE EVIL WAR CRIMINAL/MURDERER/LIAR HERE.
ISRAEL IS THE BRUTAL GOLIATH,and the PALESTINIANS are the David with the sling and stone.
Oh and don't worry,I'm pretty pi***d off with Hamas and Fatah etc,right now too.
But nothing COMPARES WITH THE HEINOUS WAR CRIMES AND DISPROPORTIONATE BRUTALITY OF ZIONIST ISRAEL toward it's Arab/Muslim neighbours.In Gaza ALONE,1.5 million people,53 PERCENT OF WHOM ARE UNDER 14 YEARS OF AGE,and already sick,injured,malnourished or near death.
WHAT DOES ISRAEL HAVE TO FEAR FROM THAT??????
NOTHING!!! ISRAEL IS JUST A MASSIVE BRUTAL COWARD.
As Jamal Dajani said in his Mosaic Intelligence report on the electoral candidates:
The lesser of three(or four)evils is STILL EVIL!
Israel is BLATANTLY EVIL,COWARDLY,and SHAMEFUL.
IT'S VERY ALONE IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW(AS REGARDS SYMPATHY AND ALLIES)NOT SURPRISINGLY.
And,it's on a PATH TO SELF-DESTRUCTION.
END OF ARGUMENT.
Peace,Salaam,Shalom.
midknight
February 7, 2009
2:21 AM PST
It was me no matter what ,it was a bad interpretation of what You said ,at least I hope that Your intention are as good as mine,in what You previously wrote, my interpretation,as I said and if You want I can find You the sentence that made me boil and we have a full moon,still,thank You for the teenager part,nice compliment,wish my skin felt the same
mizo
February 6, 2009
9:38 PM PST
Hold Israel Accountable for Gaza

by George E. Bisharat

"The boss has lost it," many Israeli military and political officials, and people on the street, were reportedly joking after their army's recent devastation of the Gaza Strip. As Israeli journalist Uri Avnery observed, the jest means that: " ... in order to deter our enemies, we must behave like madmen, go on the rampage, kill and destroy mercilessly."

In fact, the "boss has lost it" is an unselfconscious admission of policies that violate international law, and could at some point be used against Israeli leaders in a criminal prosecution....
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/02/06-9
mizo
February 6, 2009
8:31 PM PST
"If the Palestinians stop their violent resistance than Israel would have no excuses to continue their aggressive preemptive rule"
"Bad Palestinians.. no biscuit I mean no country for you"
Where are you Halcyon?!!!
gottaloveit
February 6, 2009
8:12 PM PST
Midknight no problem. I to have been frustrated for 30 years on this subject. Have a great weekend. Just one thing when you blog back, who was that mysteries figure that vanished?

CHEERS and PEACE
mizo
February 6, 2009
7:34 PM PST
"An invention called 'the Jewish people'
By Tom Segev

Israel's Declaration of Independence states that the Jewish people arose in the Land of Israel and was exiled from its homeland. Every Israeli schoolchild is taught that this happened during the period of Roman rule, in 70 CE. The nation remained loyal to its land, to which it began to return after two millennia of exile. Wrong, says the historian Shlomo Zand, in one of the most fascinating and challenging books published here in a long time. There never was a Jewish people, only a Jewish religion, and the exile also never happened - hence there was no return. Zand rejects most of the stories of national-identity formation in the Bible, including the exodus from Egypt and, most satisfactorily, the horrors of the conquest under Joshua. It's all fiction and myth that served as an excuse for the establishment of the State of Israel, he asserts..."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/959229.html


[In DNA, New Clues to Jewish Roots
By NICHOLAS WADE
The DNA data suggest a particular version of Jewish history and origins that historians have not yet had time to appraise but that seem to be reconcilable in principle with the historical record, according to experts in Jewish studies.
The emerging genetic picture is based largely on two studies, one published two years ago and the other this month, that together show that the men and women who founded the Jewish communities had surprisingly different genetic histories.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A06E4D91439F937A25756C0A9649C8B63


The Jewish kingdoms were only one of many periods in ancient Palestine
“The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years...Then it fell apart...[Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David’s conquest of Canaan in 1000 B.C. to the wiping out of Judah in 586 B.C., we arrive at [only] a 414 year Jewish rule.” Illene Beatty, “Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan.”
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html#early



Shattering a 'national mythology'
By Ofri Ilani
"..And how did millions of Jews appear around the Mediterranean Sea?
"The people did not spread, but the Jewish religion spread. Judaism was a converting religion. Contrary to popular opinion, in early Judaism there was a great thirst to convert others..."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/966952.html


{A team of geneticists studying the ancestry of Jewish communities has found an unusual genetic signature that occurs in more than half the Levites of Ashkenazi descent. The signature is thought to have originated in Central Asia, not the Near East, which is the ancestral home of Jews. The finding raises the question of how the signature became so widespread among the Levites, an ancient caste of hereditary Jewish priests...}
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0CE6DF133DF934A1575AC0A9659C8B63
midknight
February 6, 2009
6:58 PM PST
gottaloveit,finally I here You and thank you for the compliment,sorry if I took it a bit personally,till now the way You es pressed Your self made You look just a bit bies
is friday night and I am having a life but all I am searching for is somebody like Ghandi or Martin LK for what i know the one that tried had a funny way of vanishing in thin aer,I take spiders and let them out I hate any type of violence I am just frustrated because seems to me that is going on for far too long and we need solutions that can be fair to all party involved hope You will have a great week end
gottaloveit
February 6, 2009
6:30 PM PST
Mizo you do not understand what I'm saying. If the Palestinians stop their violent resistance than Israel would have no excuses to continue their aggressive preemptive rule as you and grass have stated. This why I want to know if the Palestinians have a Martin Luther King figure to lead them.

As far as the Ashkenazi Jews I read, I did research.

The remarkable country of the Khazars first entered the Jewish orbit when it allowed Jews to settle in their land free from persecution. Jewish refugees from Byzantium, Persia, Mesopotamia, and elsewhere flooded into the Khazar realm from the 8th through the 10th centuries, bringing with them Hebrew literacy, a love for Israel, the Jewish religion, and technological skill.

Also:

Studies of Jewish Populations
Advanced genetic testing, including Y-DNA and mtDNA haplotyping, of modern Jewish communities around the world, has helped to determine which of the communities are likely to descend from the Israelites and which are not, as well as to establish the degrees of separation between the groups. Important studies archived here include the University College London study of 2002, Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2001, Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2000, Michael Hammer's study of 2000, Doron Behar's study of 2008, and others.

Key findings:
# The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), and most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite. The Israelite haplotypes fall into Y-DNA haplogroups J and E.
# Ashkenazim also descend, in a smaller way, from European peoples such as Slavs and Khazars. The non-Israelite Y-DNA haplogroups include Q (typically Central Asian) and R1a1 (typically Eastern European).

All taken from:
http://www.wzo.org.il/en/resources/view.asp?id=140
http://www.khazaria.com/



mizo
February 6, 2009
4:51 PM PST
gatta you are the last one to say:" The Palestinians need a figure like MARTIN LUTHER KING. He will tress resistance through non-violence” you just said that offence is the best way for defense, and that youare glad about the Zionist military machine but that maybe when talking about the zionists meanwhile the Palestinians has only your non-violence resistance, and let's see for what reason they need your philosophy? Is it to get liberated? Enough lies.
And about the Ashkenazi Jews Grassroots and I brought you a lot of links regarding them and Khazaria and DNA, go and read them instead of asking the same question you ask in deferent thread and ignoring the responses there.
And Midnight I read a lot of emotions in your posts, you don’t need to be upset with anyone opinion, if you don’t agree then try to show them and through logic, and FACTS were you disagree and if they keep don’t get it then again this also should no problem other people watching and seeing both logics. And for this reason I should be thankful for gatta!!

Peace, Salaam, Shalom.

Grassroots
February 6, 2009
11:54 AM PST
IDF Officer,on speaking tour,has to leave UK for fear of being arrested as a WAR CRIMINAL.
You see the thing is,PEOPLE WHO KNOW JUSTICE RECOGNISE WAR CRIMINALS WHEN THEY SPOT THEM,and do not give them LIBERTY when it is NOT DESERVED.
Especially now,when the ICC has agreed to investigate,independently,the Israeli Armed Forces for the WAR CRIMES,that the WHOLE WORLD already knows have been committed.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1233304666671&pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull
gottaloveit
February 6, 2009
10:13 AM PST
Midknight you've said a lot. But I will try and hit on one point. The Palestinians need a figure like MARTIN LUTHER KING. He will stress resistance through non-violence. Eventually the people of Israel, West Bank and Gaza will come to learn that life will be better and both peoples can prosper, respect and live with each other. Midknight I do not need to experience rape over and over again to have empathy for people and understand their plight. Grassroots and Mizo put up enough carnage on this sight alone to understand the emotions of these people. And lastly I'm not sure I understand the father thing can you explain.

PEACE
midknight
February 6, 2009
9:48 AM PST
Dear Mizo,I am tired of hearing just about past mistakes and past pain with out trying to find actually a solution and because is me and my head and soul here ,it can t have anybody hearth or dead or...is complicated and if I don t believe in sanctions in other country s why would I believe that it will work there?
I hate always hearing self serving things or luck of empathy from both sides,I will always try to be as fear as possible because I know I am human and I will make mistakes and as long as my intention and my hart are in the right place I have to hope that I will do little damage possible and that I will get it right one day.Is like a good business ideas everybody thinks they are crazy till they go at the till with it on day
SANCTIONS EFFECT EVERYBODY, CHILDREN INCLUDED HOW CAN WE JUSTIFY A SIMILAR ACT WITH OUT CALLING IT REVENGE?THAT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD ON ANYBODY
FIND SOLUTIONS STEP BY STEP,BRAINSTORM FOR THE RIGHT ONE AND THE WORLD WILL BE GRATEFUL,LETS USE THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE PAST FOR A BETTER FUTURE OR WHAT IS THE POINT IN STUDDING IT?
When there is passion in something,for something,for somebody often a little dormant part of the brain comes alive,to all that feel s it, please,don t hold back,I am sure that we will find a way to present it when we have an agreement,some of as thinks that we are small that we don t count,we are effected by others and we effect them every day.Gottaloveit,I am sorry to say that I hope You not to have to go true rape over and over again to understand the injustice of what happen to many and do You think I justify a bunch of male chauvinist that move to other countries and with the excuse of the past injustice behaves in the same way?disrespectful ,resistant,unlovable,same behavior,I can guarantee that I am not at all of part I am trying to give the right weight to the right things,often we minimize things for as to be able to relate to it, this ,has only major ones and I can relate to many can You?white flag
Gottaloveit,a part from taking down the wall and having the name Israel written all over the Palestinian land what else my work?I, like You , hate the fact that many Palestinian children are paying the consequences in all ways from hunger to loss, to luck of all basic necessities and total brain wash, are You telling me that,Your father never talk bad about others effecting You?LOYALTY,HOW MANY ARE BETTER IN PROTECTING OTHERS THAN THEM SELF?LET S TAKE AWAY FEAR FROM THE PALESTINIAN EYES AS LONG AS THERE IS FEAR ,THERE WILL BE FIGHTS TO OVERCOME IT, SO ,WHY ARE WE NOT STOPPING THE FEARS IN THIS KIDS?
gottaloveit
February 6, 2009
8:59 AM PST
Mizo during the Assyrian, the Babylonian and the Roman Empire where were the Jews exiled too? Could these people be the Askenazi Jews? This might help. This is my history lesson for today.

CHEERS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

Scroll down to Background in the Roman Empire
Grassroots
February 6, 2009
8:16 AM PST
ISRAELI PROPAGANDA STORIES of "human shields" now proving to be FALSE as witness reports accumulate. ISRAELIS merely shooting civilians(including children) in COLD BLOOD.
Sounds like their RABBI's pre-deployment 'PEP TALKS' really worked(kill them all)with the IOF.
http://lataan.blogspot.com/2009/02/israeli-human-shield-stories-part-of.html
mizo
February 5, 2009
11:20 PM PST
Midnight the process is not NOW about creating a space for the Palestinians to go back to their homes and towns, it is first about the acknowledgment of their history and rights it is about defeating the racist ideas which created the zionist state, it is about seeing the facts and then follow up, and up to now the international community isn't acting accordingly with these facts, until an IMMEDIATE SANCTION nothing will change.
I know that there are a lot of Palestinians whom already in every part in this world and they would stay where they are as long as living with dignity, but they need at least acknowledgment of their tragedy and to have the right to visit their lost homes if they want to.