Yes, Grassroots, I read about that arms shipment.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054236.html

Can't have Israel running out of ammo, now can we?

Again, I pose the question, "What will happen if (when???) the US can no longer afford to give Israel WMD's, ammo, DU, and cluster bombs?

Obama says he'll create 4.1 million jobs. That's up from 3.-something last week. At this rate, I think the economic expansion going on in Obama's head is the greatest boomtime in world history.

It won't work. Can you say h-y-p-e-r-i-n-f-l-a-t-i-o-n?
With Obama's plan, we'll all be trillionaires, just like the Zimbabweans.

Of course, there may be limits to the threat of hyperinflation in the US. Like, if the dollar hyperinflates, what happens to it as the world's currency?

Bye-bye. The Fed (curses upon the name) will devalue the dollar, creating all sorts of new and monstrous waves of deleveraging. Hyperinflation is nothing but deflation in disguise. Obama's multi-trillion dollar pipe dreams (Gov't jobs, health care, wet-nurse to Israel, Afghanistan, blah, blah) will accelerate the destruction of America. Someone else will fill the power vacuum left by the implosion of the US, and they won't be Israel's sugar daddy...

"And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire."
Rev.17:16

p.s. Anyone got a filthy rat-infested ship to carry arms,"hazardous materials" to Israel,to enable ITS racist,apartheid,GENOCIDE ?
Speak now or forever SHOVE OFF!
If you do,then please contact the White House/Congress/AIPAC,and collect your blood-money there.
BUT! don't EVER speak to,or expect anything from us,the American citizens/voters in the majority again!
The USA is looking AGAIN,for someone else to do their DIRTY work for them,for the Israeli Zionists lol!
PATHETIQUE!
Anchors Away! Here comes the SECOND "final solution"!
SANCTION and BOYCOTT!
http://uk.reuters.com/article/email/idUKTRE50875320090109

Yes! I agree with all that.
The USA is only useful to Israel as long as it remains FISCALLY viable and good at laundering BILLIONS of dollars,of AMERICAN TAX-PAYERS money through Israels US "FED".Res.(which should have been razed to ground years ago,along with its zionist created "compound interest rates" for being AGAINST the US Constitution)and the Zionist US Treasury TO FUND an unending genocide of all others NON-Jewish in the Holy Land and feed the perpetual 'PREVENTION OF PEACE PROCESS' of the Israelis.
This is another article on Naomi Kleins BOYCOTT,DIVESTMENT and SANCTION of racist,apartheid regimes,of which Israel leads the world right now.
I would like to see the WHOLE WORLD boycott,sanction, bar trade/diplomatic relations with Israel,while it continues its present(sixty years +++)POLITICAL and INHUMANE political policies and horrendous WAR CRIMES and HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE.

THEN,
I would like to see the US Congress/PUBLIC SERVANTS,STAND UP and DARE to honestly EXPLAIN/QUALIFY,to the AMERICAN CITIZENS/VOTERS (who in the majority,have no idea how Israel rules our Nations Government/Economy/Banking system)WHY IT IS AGAINST US LAW TO BOYCOTT Israel,in a great FREE AND FAIR "DEMOCRACY",like the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,that doesn't TORTURE etc??? Why DO WE have that LAW???? Eh? Eh?Eh?
When EVERY Nation on this planet is open to Boycott,Sanction,Divestment of Israel(or any Nation/State)for HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE,WAR CRIMES and GENOCIDE,why is it AGAINST THE LAW,in the USA(AND A FEW SCATTERED ISLANDS OF THE OLD COLONIAL MANDATE DAYS) to do the SAME?????
Is this the USA/CONGRESS that Ariel Sharon told his Israeli people is owned and controlled by ISRAEL?
OR,is this the Democratic,Rule of Law(Mr Obama) "land of the Free and the Brave" United States of America,uncontrolled by anything but OUR CONSTITUTION????
Is the USA just a pathetic annex of the racist,apartheid,UNDEMOCRATIC,and failed,non-viable,non-self-sustaining state of Israel?
Congress may think SO,but the AMERICAN people DO NOT!!!!!
And Congress is the PUBLIC SERVANT of the AMERICAN people totally!
NOT JUST CAMPAIGN-FUNDING AIPAC that keeps running off with our US TAX-dollars under decades of a massive KICK-BACK SCHEME within OUR economy.
EXCEPT,OOOOPS!
There 'ain't no bucks left' to keep the USA sustainable.
And like you said Loch,if America goes in the direction of TITANIC,then so goes the failed military State of Israel!!!!!
Life belts anyone??? Because all the boats have GONE! Taken by the zionists via Swiss banks to Tel Aviv! LOL!

The USA right now is ALSO,with much chutzpah,but timid gonads,trying to FIND SOME NATION TO SIGN A DEAL WITH Israel to SHIP A WHOLE LOAD OF WEAPONS,"hazardous materials" lol,TO Israel too(I'll post the pathetic story).
EVERY Nation SHOULD BOYCOTT/REFUSE THIS 'business offer'(that obviously the USA hasn't got the legal gonads to touch itself,because it knows it's wrong) because if they sign their name to LOAN A CARGO SHIP for this business deal,they WILL BE CONDONING/COMPLICIT IN murder,terrorism,genocide of an ALREADY CAPTIVE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE,and the Lebanese people who have not yet launched ANY ROCKETS on Israel(Mossad as usual,or the Palestinian-Freedom fighter refugees in south Lebanon).
Definately: Boycott,Sanction,Divest. Otherwise we admit we support terrorism!
Just like our 'bestest Mid-East Oily buddies'Saudi Arabia supports the TALIBAN,with OUR TAX-DOLLARS!!!!

Would ANYONE in good conscience,have facilitated,in the past horrendous atrocities Holocausts/GENOCIDES like 1915 Armenian Genocide by the Turks,or the 1939-45 GENOCIDE of the Jews by the Nazis,AND NOW the 1947-to present day Genocide of the Palestinian Arab/Muslims?
And those are just a FEW of the many.
Take Hamas,Hizballah,or any other other guerrilla group FIGHTING for the Freedom of their suffering oppressed people,and ISRAEL WOULD STILL be doing the same atrocities to complete the colonization of the Holy Land by the Jewry and erasing all "others". The zionists want the colonization of Palestine by them ONLY.
There is no mutual,respectful 'Peace Plan' included,LOL!

Sanction,Boycott and Divestment of Israel is long overdue,by Nations and peoples of GOOD MORAL CONSCIENCE/Rule of Law/PEACE GLOBALLY,including the USA.
Or WE,AMERICA,can never hold OUR heads up again in the global entity and speak of Democracy,Freedom,Rule of Law and PEACE,without expecting to be called a HYPOCRITICAL,DOUBLE-DEALING BACK STABBER,and have the whole world hate us more and look at us as nothing more than a sick JOKE!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/10/naomi-klein-boycott-israel

Peace,Salaam,Shalom.

Israel: Boycott, Divest, Sanction
Lookout
By Naomi Klein

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090126/klein?rel=hp_currently

I agree Grassroots,

Israel's choices do not make for long-term survival. It may be that for Israel, the situation has deteriorated so much that Israel's leaders are not able to do any long-term planning at all. Maybe six months future military planning, but a strategy for long-term existence? Hardly likely, especially now, with what very well could be the Big One on their hands.

Which to my mind begs the question, Why not? Why no better planning than continual aggression? It isn't as if this problem is a new one. Here's what I think has happened. The reality has shifted, and the Israelis haven't noticed. In many ways, none of us have. But nothing will ever be the same again. As it turns out, humanity is self-limiting after all. The handy invention we call money, it appears, keeps us from running totally amuck.

How's that? We got too smart for our britches, and made debt into money. But debt drags down an economy, in this case the global economy. Total debt in the global economy, if one includes That Which Shall Not Be Named (Oh, OK, Derivatives), is anywhere between 1.4 and 3 Quadrillion dollars. No, it will never get paid back. The numbers are ridiculous. But that debt has given the economy a stomach ache. Like the kind horses get, and die from.

Israel's plans are based on an infinitely growing global economy, the continual exploitation of natural resources, the expansion of debt, the unlimited use of fossil fuels... it's all changed, overnight, and now nothing is what it used to be.

The leaders in various governments struggle to maintain the illusion, but it cannot hold up. Israel is a creation, more than anything else, of money. What will happen to Israel when there is no more money?

Dov Zakheim was comptroller of the Pentagon budget when somewhere between 1 and 3 TRILLION dollars went missing. Why that pesky Ol' Dov.. what a corker! He's a rabbi and a dual-citizen of the USA and Israel. Where did the money go? Your guess is as goods as mine, but a trillion dollars ain't what it used to be. Pretty soon, a trillion dollars might buy you a cup of coffee, if you can get one.

Now, Mr. Madoff, another "friend" of Israel, has squirreled away 50 billion. Heck, that's just pocket change. That won't run the IDF for a week. I ask the question, where is Israel going to steal the next 50 billion, or 3 trillion? Sorry boys, IT'S ALL GONE!

Money's only worth something if we believe in it. I don't believe in it any more, do you? I mean, I kinda have to, but I don't have any real faith.

This gives me hope, because guess what? They don't just give the cluster bombs away, or the white phosphorus. Sure, the US gives it to Israel for free, but there's no free lunch. Somebody's gotta pay for it. Up until now it's been on my dime, and yours. But look! See my inside out pockets? Lots of Americans out there like me. We have been ruined, in a large part by the relationship between political Zionism, high finance, and the US government. All I can hope for now is that all this ruination will find its way home, back to Israel, and the global depression will bring Israel's war machine to a grinding halt.

Those that once feared "extermination",are now the exterminators.
And hated EVEN more world-wide.Are they really looking for self-destruction? When there is SO LITTLE pity left for them world-wide now.They've OVERSPENT on that old WW2 resource,That 'well' is dry!
As long as Israel remains on this political policy track,WHO IN THEIR RATIONAL,COMPASSIONATE and humanitarian mind would WANT to live next door to them?
Not even the USA wants the ZIONISTS on its OWN doorstep permanently.
When I asked my Jewish friends why they didn't go to live in Israel post WW2,they laughed and said,"Hey we may be Jewish but we are NOT LUNATICS.And we have a rich life,not just a stale existence"
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/200919181848345917.html

To be fair to Mr. Bunz-

I get entirely angry when I see dead babies, crying mothers, and a lopsided slaughter. However, last night I woke up and thought about all these things for a long time. Our ability to be compassionate must over-rule our anger and frustration. Otherwise, forums like these simply become another battleground, where nothing is solved, and all that is produced is more violence. A physicist somewhere said that perhaps compassion is the doorway into a trans-dimensional reality, and that's how Jesus performed miracles. True or not, it is good to see things from another perspective.

Mr. Bunz comes to his position through channels all humans can understand. He deserves to have the needs and requests that underlie the bluster of his language understood.

If we are to be fair-minded, we have to understand the dilemma faced by European Jewish people after WW2.

Where were they to go? The Nazis had murdered a great number of them. They were almost entirely displaced, either by internment, or because they went into hiding, or simply because of the fortunes of war.

It wasn't a simple matter of them just going home.

If there had never been a Zionist movement, I suppose they would have resettled elsewhere, as Jews have done for thousands of years, perhaps in the Americas and in the Soviet bloc, those being the places most friendly to them.

But there was a Zionist movement, and the authorities at the time thought resettlement of Jews in Palestine was a good idea.

Everyone has to live somewhere. What is a people to do if they have no place to live?

It is a question that both Jew and Palestinian have to face. We all should be fair, and at least see it from the Jewish perspective. They have no other options, and they have a threat of extermination hanging over their heads.

It would make anyone stubborn and unreasonable.

The real question is, Can the issue be settled in a more productive way, or must it be a death struggle, in which the first side that can annihilate the other is the victor?

The intractable nature of the Jewish attitude can be understood. I don't think they pursue a successful strategy, but I am just as wrong for name-calling and accusation as are those I rail against. Perhaps we could brainstorm a better way to solve the crisis, one that doesn't involve killing and destruction.

I am sorry guys I am going to copy and paste again a quote i posted here before just to answer bunz questions, and put him before the facts, which are coming out his first prime minster mouth. Although I am sure he will keep ignoring it, but who knows?

"David Ben-Gurion told Nahum Goldman before he died:
"I don't understand your optimism.," Ben-Gurion declared. "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipes us out".

"But how can you sleep with that prospect in mind," I broke in, "and be Prime Minister of Israel too?"

Who says I sleep? he answered simply. (The Jewish Paradox by Nahum Goldman, p. 99)"

Mr. Bunz-
You're wrong again. God didn't give any land to the Jews. God "gave"
it to Israel. Not the Godless atheistic political entity we call Israel today, but a group of twelve tribes.

God warned the twelve tribes that the land they were getting was theirs on a continually provisional basis. If they ceased to obey God, they would lose title to the land.

Ten of the tribes rebelled against God. He sent prophets to them to warn them, but they heeded them not, so God sent the Assyrians to carry the ten tribes away from the land.
Today, the ten tribes exist without identity, scattered throughout humanity, like leaven in bread.

There were three tribes left. Three, because the Levites, the priestly tribe, were admixed with the other two, Judah and Benjamin. Today, a Jewish person is a member of one of these three tribes. The nation of the three tribes was named Judah. Judah rebelled against God. God sent prophets to warn them, and the people heeded them not. So God sent the Babylonians to carry Judah away to Babylon.

God gave Judah a second chance. Judah rebelled against God again. God sent prophets and Judah heeded them not, so God sent the Romans, to carry Judah away and to scatter them throughout all of humanity, like leaven in bread.

Today, a religious Jew understands this. He knows that no godless, atheistic, God-hating, society of hedonists and sorcerers can be the true return of Israel. Israel can only be restored by God, through the Messiah. The religious Jew knows this. That is why he refuses to participate in the Political Entity's evil, satanic, godless wars against the inhabitants of the land, many of whom are actually of Jewish lineage, but who converted to a different religion in the passing centuries. A religious Jew won't join the IDF. He won't fire a gun at someone who could easily be his long-lost brother. He'll wait for God.

He'll wait for God, because Israel is twelve, not three, and God has to bring back the lost. How will God do it? Who knows? That's God's business. But we don't need to complicate the situation by killing babies with white phosphorus and cluster bombs.

Do you realize that the "palestinians" who are dying now are at least 75% terrorists who do not accept that Israel has a right to exist. All of the casualties, terrorist and civilian alike would be alive today if the terrorist pigs had not started to make and fire rockets into Israel.

Cry all you want about wounded and dead children, the terrorist pigs love children to be cannon fodder for their publicity value.

there is a very important movie, if it is not the THE MOVIE when talking about documentaries, it is: "The Corporation", and I remember in one part Chomsky saying something like this: Not far away, maybe 100 years back, you would see a slave owner an individual who is a good father and good husband, caring and loving man, and he is also nice with "his slaves". It is the system who would allow a human being to have another human being, equal to him, as salve, and the story keep repeating itself in different faces but with the same core. this is so close to what Statesman wrote in his post on the other discussion when he said: "A lot of slave owners in America used parts of the Holy Bible to justify slavery and had the nerve to go to church on sunday and pray for repentance.".

http://www.thecorporation.com/
http://www.freedocumentaries.org/index.php

P.S. Majic, if you think along the eye for an eye thing, then hell you might as well just nuke the whole entire Israeli-Palestinian occupied territory then the global community could rest more easier. Twisted religious ideology my friend, that only causes pain and suffering in the end. Nobody wins.

Majic, what about love thy brother as thee love thyself, or does the New Testament not apply? Ghandi said an eye for an eye will make the whole wolrd blind and this man wasn't even a Christian or practicing jew and he seen the problem behind such a religious/divine policy. Violence only begets more violence.

I don't know how state like Israel has the right to defended itself, in spit of its actions and history which clearly shows it as an occupying power, or at least there is a good case here, meanwhile the Palestinians whom are refugees, living under occupation in camps and in their own land, or in the surrounding countries, has no right to resist the injustice they face, and if they do they are terrorists. The Vietnamese even used wasps to fight their aggressor, and I am sure the American government used to call them terrorists at that time or similar names . It is like giving a thief the right to defend himself, and the victim has just shut up or even consider him never exist. and for whom want to say otherwise, again i would suggest to read the zionist founders and leaders literature, and if you agree with them then maybe you need to learn about something called racism.

Please don’t use G-D’s name in vain. I don’t even think you ever read or understood The Torah. The torah told us an eye for an eye, because people were getting killed for stealing bread. The torah told us that the punishment must fit the crime or it is immoral!! An eye for an eye would mean ten dead Palestinians, not 700.
ayin tachat ayin
Anyone who kills a human being shall be put to death. Anyone who kills an animal shall make restitution for it, life for life. Anyone who maims another, what he inflicted will be done to him: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; what injury he gave to another will be given to him. One who kills an animal shall make restitution for it; but one who kills a human being shall be put to death.
(Leviticus 24:17-21)
When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined... If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
(Exodus 21:18-19, 22-25)