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The Gaza Crisis - was Israel justified in attacking Gaza?
Grassroots
January 9, 2009
8:07 AM PST
Israels ONLY filthy and ILLEGAL tactic is one of PRE-EMPTION,on big civilian areas!
Because Israel knows that it CANNOT take on a full blown military endevour without losing MANY,MANY Israelis,and with Israel shrinking population,it cannot afford any loss.That's why we always see the ratios of 1 Israel for EVERY 100-200 dead "enemy"(which is the title used for ANY Arab/Muslim neighbour population.
This has been so in Israel from when the State was first allocated to them,to be set up ALONG side a Palestinian State which of course,the Israelis NEVER ALLOWED.
The Israelis regular modus operandi is to STAGE excuses(rocket attacks etc)for ATTACKING Arab/muslims that they just see as LESS than human,instead of equals,in order to ETHNICALLY CLEANSE,and expel them FINALLY from Palestine.
Thereafter,any guerrilla factions will OBVIOUSLY fire back in RETALIATION to protect their kin and HOMES!(now in Gaza,2006 in Lebanon AND NOW in Lebanon again)
DECEIT,SUBTERFUGE, and PRE-EMPTION,and kill(cull)the women,childrena and elderly.
Israel is pathetic and SICK!
They have always PREFERRED hitting CIVILIAN TARGETS,where there are HUGE numbers of men,women and children.
This has been recorder and accounted for history by all,and STILL the Israelis seem PROUD of this,when all other good conscience people feel nauseous and appalled.
Ever since the first Israeli terrorist gangs in the 1940-5's,they have ALWAYS hit targets of CIVILIANS,whether hotels,market places,villages,buses and UN SHELTERS,clearly marked and IDENTIFIED AS SUCH.Oh and don't forget the WORLD'S PRESS! Israel doesn't like it MASSACRES caught on film!
These zionists WHO ARE DESTROYING Israel,(NOT Palestine,because that will survive and go on)and bringing their people to SHAME AND COWARDICE,are the greatest terrorists in the Middle/Near East.AND THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE!
Their WAR CRIMES and MASSIVELY DISPROPORTIONATE FULLY-ARMED MILITARY OFFENSIVES on civilians,in CIVILIAN(not military areas/zones) residential areas is ABHORRENT,and UNFORGIVEABLE.
But that's ANOTHER thing that Israel has ALWAYS made a habit!
NO CONSCIENCE!
The cold SOCIOPATHIC,narcissistic evil arrogance that says NO-ONE IS AS GOOD AS US,therefore EXPENDIBLE for our 'great' cause!
There is ONLY one reason why three quarters of the planet either couldn't care less about,OR BLATANTLY DESPISE,Israel right now!
ISRAEL ITSELF!
Under its ZIONIST UNGODLY regime of NAZI RACISM/APARTHEID,MILITARY dictatorship and OPPRESSION/SUPPRESSION!
And for what?
Because the zionist political Government has itself RUINED Israel and turned it into a barren,resourceless,wasteland with NO HOPE of self-sustainability or true Democracy with neighbouring mutual respect.
More and more,as I see its FILTHY 'policies' instrumented and MORE AND MORE innocent men,women and children imprisoned,starved,dehydrated,penned-in with no escape from the slaughtered,against FULL MIILITARY ARMS CAPACITY,
it is confirmed to me that ISRAEL is the rogue,terrorist FAILED State.
I have watched Israel ever since it was formed,and NOTHING about Israel and its BRUTAL actions and PRE-EMPTION has ever been "justified".
Again,I say,that its Government is leading Israel down a path to SELF-DESTRUCTION!
And on the way over the cliff,they will look back and see the Palestinian people and know,FINALLY,what a TERRIBLE PREVENTABLE MISTAKE they made the last sixty++ years!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7819492.stm
Loch
January 9, 2009
7:13 AM PST
What will Obama do for peace in Palestine?
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Get it? Nothing. More of the same. The vaunted change, election, blah blah... a rigged set-up by the people behind the scenes who control both parties. A great number of those people have US-Israeli dual citizenship. Obama is an empty suit. The only thing he will be good for is a grand marshal for the parade of scandals that will roll by in the next four years. Blogojevich is just a warm-up. Obama is as rotten as a month-old avocado. Rezko...Alexi Giannulias...Larry Sinclair... The trail of slime just gets worse as one goes back. What is Obama's real name? Where was he really born? Why can't we see his college records, his birth certificate, his Harvard Law Review articles? Who is his real father? Could be anyone from Obama Sr. to Malcolm X. if George Bush was a symbol of how far America has fallen, Obama is a symbol of what the bottom looks like.
Loch
January 9, 2009
7:00 AM PST
Is Israel justified in attacking Gaza? No. And Hamas is not justified in shooting rockets into Israel. All victims commit crime. The person or a nation who is too powerful to be a victim has the luxury of forgiveness. Only the very powerful can forgive. Everyone else scrabbles and scuffles with each other in the dirt.

However, in an unequal match, the person or nation with the power to actually change things carries more responsibility. Israel controls the resources, transportation, money, culture- in short, all initiative for peace or for war must come from Israel. The Palestinians can only react. (Although they could choose a non-violent form of reaction) Israel's justification for violence arises from the culture of victimization cultured by the Jewish people for the past 70 years.

There is never a time when violence is justified. Like my Pa said, "If you have to justify it, it's probably wrong."
Loch
January 9, 2009
6:50 AM PST
To be fair to Mr. Bunz-

I get entirely angry when I see dead babies, crying mothers, and a lopsided slaughter. However, last night I woke up and thought about all these things for a long time. Our ability to be compassionate must over-rule our anger and frustration. Otherwise, forums like these simply become another battleground, where nothing is solved, and all that is produced is more violence. A physicist somewhere said that perhaps compassion is the doorway into a trans-dimensional reality, and that's how Jesus performed miracles. True or not, it is good to see things from another perspective.

Mr. Bunz comes to his position through channels all humans can understand. He deserves to have the needs and requests that underlie the bluster of his language understood.

If we are to be fair-minded, we have to understand the dilemma faced by European Jewish people after WW2.

Where were they to go? The Nazis had murdered a great number of them. They were almost entirely displaced, either by internment, or because they went into hiding, or simply because of the fortunes of war.

It wasn't a simple matter of them just going home.

If there had never been a Zionist movement, I suppose they would have resettled elsewhere, as Jews have done for thousands of years, perhaps in the Americas and in the Soviet bloc, those being the places most friendly to them.

But there was a Zionist movement, and the authorities at the time thought resettlement of Jews in Palestine was a good idea.

Everyone has to live somewhere. What is a people to do if they have no place to live?

It is a question that both Jew and Palestinian have to face. We all should be fair, and at least see it from the Jewish perspective. They have no other options, and they have a threat of extermination hanging over their heads.

It would make anyone stubborn and unreasonable.

The real question is, Can the issue be settled in a more productive way, or must it be a death struggle, in which the first side that can annihilate the other is the victor?

The intractable nature of the Jewish attitude can be understood. I don't think they pursue a successful strategy, but I am just as wrong for name-calling and accusation as are those I rail against. Perhaps we could brainstorm a better way to solve the crisis, one that doesn't involve killing and destruction.
Bunz
January 7, 2009
8:57 PM PST
Maybe aljazerra could run a satellite class on common sense. Terrorist pigs shoot missiles at the Jews and the IDF comes in and stops the hell out of anyone or anything that has munitions around.

An intelligent person knows that anyone who had common sense wouldn't hang around the explosives, but no, they would rather die in a building full of rockets and mortars than live in peace. jazz-tv is very good at showing pictures of dead bodies, but they would be doing more of a public service if they could teach the arabs how to use common sense to live in peace.
jagib
January 7, 2009
7:16 PM PST
Can israel enter and dwell in the promiseland,... when the blood of its brother ismael is upon the heads & hands of all israel.

you have sinned a great sin against God. whoe unto you oh... israel.

the blood of your brother cries out to God from the ground. out of your own mouth comes your judgement.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/200916123126787790.html
Grassroots
January 7, 2009
5:11 PM PST
Israel is an occupying military force/State on ancient Holy Land inhabited for CENTURIES by Arabian/Muslim peoples as well as Christians and Jewish people.
Nothing that Israel has done to its neighbours in the last sixty+ years HAS BEEN justified. Even LESS so since 1967.
All they've ever done is OCCUPY MILITARILY and OPPRESS and intimidate all others.
How does a FULLY EQUIPPED military State justify attacking,with FULL MILITARY MIGHT,WEAPONS,KEFLA UNIFORM/HELMETS,F-16's,tanks,chemical weapons,etc etc a people who have NOTHING but slings,stones,and homemade primitive mortars?
For every ONE Israeli dead,ONE HUNDRED Palestinians are murdered.How "JUSTIFIED IS THAT"?
The ONLY way that Israel has survived in the Holy Land is by DISPROPORTIONATE,pre-emptive,offensive military action to constantly CULL the population of the Arab/Muslims through BRUTALITY and concentration camp containment of peoples WHO SHOULD BE free.
On Nov 4th there WAS A CEASEFIRE-TRUCE, between the Palestinian Democratically elected party of Hamas(like them OR NOT).
This truce,whilst the world was distracted with Obamas election,WAS BROKEN by the Israelis who attacked and killed SIX Palestinians in a village.
Hamas,thereafter,RETALIATED,as ANYONE WOULD, WHO WAS DEFENDING THEIR HOME/LAND/FAMILY.
That fact is EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED NOW,BY Corporate MSM CNN,the INFOTAINMENT channel!

I'm not sorry to say,that I cannot associate the words "justified"/justice/victim with the political zionist policies of the State of Israel in its present form.
But I do have five words,in my dictionary,that describe the Government of Israel:
Inhumane perpetrator of war crimes.
Peace,Salaam,Shalom.
LinkTV
January 7, 2009
11:38 AM PST
Link has started a webpage dedicated to the Gaza crisis at http://www.linktv.org/gaza.
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Was Israel justified in attacking Gaza? What will Barack Obama do about this crisis when he becomes president? Will - or can - Obama bring change to the Middle East?